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[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Didn't the Palestinians also "evict" all Jewish people? They went to Israel because they were refugees. It was about the same amount of people who fled from both sides. The only difference is that Palestinians grew from under a million refugees to more than 5 million by now. That is why they want Israel. Where would you have the Jewish people go? The Hamas want all Jews gone.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's the biggest pile of regurgitated Israeli propaganda I've seen yet. People existed in the Palestine area before the beginnings of the formation of Israel. Said formation was largely begun by the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, which resulted in waves of Jewish immigrants into Palestine. Israel was officially created in 1948 by the Israeli Declaration of Independence.

So, to simplify it - Palestinians lived in Palestine. The United Nations declared support for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine, a place already occupied by Palestinians. Lots of settlers moved to the area and began to displace Palestinians, causing tensions between the two groups. Israel declared its Independence in 1948. Supported by the United Nations, Israel continued to displace Palestinians and expand the borders of Israel, evicting Palestinians from their homes to be replaced by Israeli settlers. Rinse and repeat for nearly eighty years, interspersed with Israel playing the victim and acting surprised their continued genocide of the Palestinians has resulted in the formation of terrorist groups.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Can you give me a source for your side on this? Because on Wikipedia they describe it quite differently.

And also, aren't these actual quotes from the Hamas covenant?

Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be.

[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.

And so forth. Source: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

To me this sounds like a religious motivated anti-semitic war against Jews in general.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep, here are articles. As to the motivation for war, it absolutely has antisemitic elements, but I was never disputing or even discussing that. I'm simply refuting the commonly spread propaganda that the Palestinians are somehow ungrateful refugees looking to take the Israeli's land. It's pretty well the other way around.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

I'd love to see this Wikipedia article you mention.