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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

essentially illiterate (and i mean this with all due respect) people from a completely different culture who are not prepared to do anything remotely useful for at least 10 years, probably more.

saying with all due respect doesn't make your bullshit racist essay any less racist, racist.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is this racist? If I move to, say, Azerbaijan, I'm just as lost as them. I know fuck all about the language, can't even read the alphabet they have and don't know shit about the culture. And we share skincolours.

I have a PhD, but I'm basically useless in Azerbaijan for anything but menial labour, explained slowly with lots of gestures.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Culture isn't nearly that important, and learning the language, or just speaking English, is a minor obstacle all things considered. If you move somewhere, you will get a language teacher.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the hell are you talking about? Culture is hugely important, if you move somewhere that fundamentally has issue with you... might might be outright killed.

Countries don't all necessarily speak English. I'm visiting Mexico right now... it's actually quite hard at times to find English speakers. The police I've interacted with here... no English. Border crossing... very limited English. Acting like English is something special is very short sighted.

Assuming that all immigrants or refugees will just have access to language tutoring is absurd. That's typically an expensive cost. One that many people simply cannot afford.

Well, then maybe it's different In the Americas, I don't know, but you mentioned an European country.

I live in Europe, been around various places in Europe. I'm an immigrant myself. It's not nearly as bad as you might think.

And yes, obviously racism and xenophobia is a problem, but integrating into the culture won't fix that.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Careful now. Calling racists racist is impolite and very frowned upon.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

If you won’t even acknowledge that some people need help to learn to read, does that mean you want to eliminate literacy support for refugees? Isn’t that far more racist than just accepting reality? I believe this is what we call horseshoe politics at work. The tendency for the loudest “anti-racists” in the room to be the absolute worst racists.

[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry you feel that way.