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It was about that, but Labour were terrible at convincing the NZ public that they were better than National on those issues.
Labour have done a horrendous job. They deserve this. But it will Royaly fuck the poor.
Not looking forward to the next 3 years.
Im just reminding myself that regardless of who is at the helm, things aren't going to get better in the next 3 years. NZ has lacked decades of investment and so small that we are at the wim of Aus, Europe, China and US. National may give our country a bit of strength, but it won't be stronger people and I doubt they will be looking ahead.
Rolling back environmental policies and landlord tax will be pretty bad for all of us. I don't think strength is anything we require. Nobody is worried of an armed New Zealand.
Clarification - economic strength, (business) investment, population and tech. Soft power, not hard power, but saying that I'm in Defense studies and the asia-pacific region is having significant concerns with hard power and we have a massive EEZ. Moot point though, back to mine.
Our country needs significant financial investment - we love this country but we are soo far behind in soo many ways. Labour has tried to offset things like cost of living, housing, health but there is soo much to do.
Business in my opinion. My very very controversial opinion. Business is a cancer. It's the worst thing to happen to humanity since money was invented.
Business looks to squeeze everything to profit the few. Maybe stop looking to greed and start getting the basics. Housing food security.
You can rape pillage and destroy the planet for profit. Won't help.yhe majority though.
But that's just my incorrect opinion
Yep, totally agree. Business is concerned with profit for shareholders. Infinite growth. Don't worry about externalities like pollution, ecosystem collapse and gross inequality. Those are for society to deal with, or ignore. Business doesn't care.
The fact that billionaires exist, and are idolised, is incomprehensible to me.
While I believe private business has its use, this is a refreshing take to see. I'm sick of the constant idolisation of small business owners.
10 years ago I would agree with you. The changes of the last 10 years (and my non-youtube education) is giving me some hope. Any business is bound by societys ethics, norms and expectations (including the law) - we just have to demand our ethics and norm are followed.
Hard disagree. The ethics is bound by how much they can get away. Banks are constantly getting fined for breaching their own rules. Big multi conglomerates run on how much they can get away with. Looking at America's deficit of a trillion. No way to pay it back. Money is worthless. Fed can print more at any point and banks can magic it out of nowhere.
We have no sat over Exxon we have no say over how most multi billion dollars operate. We can't even push back against planet killing policies.
You are naive to think the public have much power. We are given the illusion of democracy but a two party system that can change policies on a whim, with zero accountability.
No country is holding up their population. They don't care. That is the issue. The closer we get to annihilation the more they won't even pretend about the pure creed.
I think we are agreeing, just differ in method and application. These companies have strength because our ethics give them strength - ill use ExxonMobil as the example. They just brought a massive competitor, but we can still use public transportation, walk, bike or EV. ICE cars are what our society is built around and the easiest, but we can say no and we can make the harder choices.
Yes and no. We can decide to use other means but that doesn't change their power to lobby our government and create pressure on food and medicine and military.
They aren't just fuel. They own a magnitude of companies and the means of productivity. They are our infrastructure.
Our GDP is tourism agriculture and probably building of some sort.
All require a heavy dose of Fossil fuels. Fertilizer fuel and building supplies.
Cats are a very small part of it.
Fossil fuels are the current status quo and where the investment was. Our agriculture needed alot of modernisation (and unis are cutting the courses), tourism is very low gdp, building carries massive logistics costs and heavy equipment which can be electrified.
They can petition government and armed forces all they want, but we vote both of those in (hmm, topical)
Thats disappointing as I don't think national gives a shit at all. I suspect the tax cuts with the current cost of living got national through, but it does nothing to move the country ahead.
I suspect nothing about what National offered was what did it, other than the fact they were not Labour. I fully believe that the majority of people vote without knowing what policies they are voting for.
Oh God, are we going to get our Trump?
We get the government we deserve.
I found that too. Any political conversation I had this cycle were basically: "Winston for the shit stir" or "Lifelong (insert party) voter". Nobody I spoke to really knew any policy.
I've been mentioning the cool Act policies in passing to people I talk with. No one knew that they want to remove all building standards, repeal the act that sets our carbon reduction targets, or allow employers to call everyone contractors to get around employee protections and so they don't have to pay annual/sick leave, etc. I'll be watching the coalition negotiations with interest.
Yup - "oh why vote for those losers" yet when I asked what they disagree with they have nothing. I feel like alot of nationals vote was "i want something different", a tax cut or lifetime members.