this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2023
1165 points (97.3% liked)

World News

39000 readers
2139 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 126 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Small nuance compared to the title

The Senate’s national finance committee will study a bill on October 17 which would create a national framework for—but not actually implement—UBI, according to a press release

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 149 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They’re considering thinking about talking about it.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, any progress is progress. I'm not a fan of the liberal government right now but just the fact that they are talking about this and (hopefully) implementing some sort of structure for it is a big deal imo. I think UBI is a good idea but I would imagine implementing it successfully is going to be a very difficult task.

[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is it? Count the # of people in the country, appropriate the money to cover them all + some additional % for those who slip through the cracks for x amount of years, and cut checks. Done.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago

I think the main challenge is convincing enough people it's a good idea. You can see some weird arguments against it in the very thread.

[–] IndefiniteBen@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well you don't want the people who slip through the cracks to wait in line for months to get their money, so you probably need to figure out a system to handle those people, and employees to make it work. Deciding how to handle requests from the people like that, without allowing abuse of the system, and training staff takes time.

I'm sure with research you can find more practical issues that get in the way of implementing it tomorrow, which is before getting to the political issues.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

But they need to discuss if those people really deserve to live.

[–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And its looking like conservicrooks are gong to get back in soon which means all talk of this plan will die the second that happens

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If Canadians are dumb enough to vote in conservicrooks after watching what happened to the USA, I wish them luck.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

Every country is either dumb enough to do that or just barely smart enough not to.

[–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Im not much of a fan of liberals cuz they are corporate centrists basically, I tend to vote NDP as they align the closest to my ideology. What I do like is coalition governments that join together to opposite consevacrook policies

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Senate is actually doing something interesting for once, but the Senate doesn't usually put forward legislation, and they're completely unable to put forward spending bills. And on top of that, they're not The Government.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And on top of that, they're not The Government.

That phrasing confused me for the longest time. In the US, the senate is part of The Government. It seems like most countries use "government" to mean something like what we Americans call "the administration".

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, that's more or less right. Different systems will slice it different tlt, but for the most part there's "government", which includes all the mechanisms of state, and then there's The Government, which is the cabinet.

Many systems have independent heads of state and heads of government. In these cases, you have a president with executive powers somewhat similar in concept, but generally less broad in scope, to the US president, and a prime minister or chancellor who is elected by Parliament or the legislative assembly to form an independent cabinet.

It would be like if your executive secretaries were selected by the majority party leader.

In British Commonwealth countries, things are slightly different, because our head of state is the British monarch, and the monarchy has operated under a policy of non-interference for, like, almost a century now. So, they just rubberstamp whatever the head of government presents to them.

Westminster parliaments also operate under a principle of parliamentary supremacy. There's none of this "equal powers" stuff. The head of state asks parliament for things, but for the most part thr head of state exists to enact the will of Parliament.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for explaining!

[–] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Just Canadian government things.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don’t we already have that framework with EI, AISH, and the more recent CERB payments?

If everyone gets it we can streamline a ton of stuff by removing all the positions that we current use to scrutinize whether or not people deserve EI, AISH, CERB, whatever.

No bi-weekly reporting would also decrease the demand on the servers. Once you’re signed up, you get it and you only need to log in to change your bank info.

[–] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Yep that’s the gist of it. That’s where it becomes cheaper than what we currently do.