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[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly it looks like Johnson just screwed up the paperwork and no one could be bothered to help him.

Don't expect a moral stance from anyone in the government.

[–] theinspectorst@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought the problem was that she didn't want to stand down as an MP but did want a peerage when she eventually stood down at the election? Which is not possible as once you make someone a peer then they're a peer, and you can't sit in both houses at the same time. She basically wanted them to announce now that she'll become a peer in a year or two, which they can't do.

So she threw a massive tantrum and resigned now anyway - which, if she'd been willing to do in the first place, might have meant she could have actually got the Boris crony peerage that she wanted.

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My understanding is that they just didn't realise she had to resign before going on the honours list.

Basically the problem is a lot more nuanced than you can't sit in both houses at once, it's that you can't be considered to sit in one house if you already have the right to sit in another. Otherwise, people could just pogo back and forth between the two houses as was convenient.

So all the people in the house of lords that wanted to stand as an MP had to resign from the lords first, and I guess it works in the other direction.

Doris only made a fuss about staying as MP when she found out she wasn't getting the peerage. Before that she didn't seem to care.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's actually slightly more complicated than even that. It wasn't as if she was going to stand down as an MP at the next election, and then have a peerage (although that would have been bad enough), she wanted to remain an MP for an unspecified length of time (she never explained why) and then be able to just switch over to having a peerage whenever she decided.

They might have been prepared to slightly twist the rules in the first instance but what she was demanding was just so far beyond reasonable that no one was prepared to even consider it. Also the lord's actually do have a reputation to upkeep and she's a brainless tit, so they weren't exactly prepared to go out of their way to assist.

Both Boris Johnson and Nadine Doris supposedly were professional politicians, it's utterly ridiculous that they didn't understand the rules.

[–] theinspectorst@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Also the lord’s actually do have a reputation to upkeep and she’s a brainless tit, so they weren’t exactly prepared to go out of their way to assist.

I mean, yes obviously, but that doesn't stop this lot. In the same resignation list, they ennobled Boris's 29 year old intern who has never had a proper job but now is a lifelong member of our legislature.