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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by kristina@hexbear.net to c/fediverse@hexbear.net

Might be a bad idea for me to go into this while having ptsd issues, especially when I'm probably about to do a long ass sleep, but yolo.


Basic synopsis on my feelings here:

  • tl;dr: I used to believe we should be federated, but after 3ish years of interacting with lemmygrad on various accounts, I have noticed that lemmygrad is not a place that is safe for transgender people at large. The reason for this is principally their debatelord culture and refusing to comprehend that debating a point against a minority's lived experience, then demanding civility when that minority gets angry, is the same shit liberals do.

  • I noticed instances of reactionary content, such as here and/or comments are not removed or users banned. Lemmygrad seems to prefer to debate reactionaries, and obviously subjecting minority groups to reactionary content for personal fun is callous at best, and reactionary at worst. Its important to make it so that there are designated areas for dunking on reactionary content, as well as nsfw and content tags to avoid it. Otherwise, reactionary comments should be removed and visible in a mod log.

  • I discussed in this post why it is important to remove downvotes to protect trans people. After I noticed people were creating evasive comments to debate me, I pretty much told them to fuck off. This resulted in a ban from their admins and they continued to defend their policy. This reminds me a lot of the struggle sessions we used to have about adding pronouns to the site or removing downvotes. People would be evasive in this same way to give the benefit of the doubt then demand civility when people get angry. Those people are not allies and should be purged.

  • The admins seem to have a principle misunderstanding of why minorities don't want to see any form of harassment or discrimination directed at them and how that is perpetuated across social media sites. They seem to legitimately believe that keeping downvotes means that they will be able to stave off reactionary content or is somehow a valuable tool in responding to reactionary content, when in reality they should be removing and banning reactionary content.

  • Certain users were very keen on civility bullshit, particularly @simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml, @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml (an admin), @davel@lemmygrad.ml. This is honestly the most disgusting behavior I've seen on lemmygrad, and the fact that the admins doubled down on it is fucked.

I can see staying federated to a bunch of very small instances, especially queer focused and hobby instances, but I'm pretty soured on the fediverse at this point.

I'm extremely disappointed in what I've seen of the lemmygrad mod team. Why are they making me into a splitter over such a basic issue of avoiding the harassment of trans people at a systemic level, bastards stalin-stressed

I am willing to retract this if the admins of lemmygrad self crit and apologize for temp bans or otherwise of my accounts on civility reasons and make it clear that debating the lived experience of anyone of a minority group is unacceptable going forward. There are positive and proactive ways of discussing someone's lived experience without going into debate territory and trying to find a technicality in lived experiences to support an opinion you already hold. I maintain that removing downvotes is a boon to trans users, if you can come up with something better than that and implement it, I am all ears.

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[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I personally don't agree, if only for the fact that grad has turned out to be the only actually left-wing instance besides our own.

Also, as others have mentioned, the people from the grad who have started hanging out with us here are cool, the ones who may not like our site culture don't come over here to start shit. If that starts happening at some point I'm absolutely open to changing my mind of course.

Sort by local and all you'll see from the grad are the friendly folk.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The issue is I don't like the fact that if a post shows up on our all feed, and they ban one of our trans users from their users being a debatelord, then their 29% of their website that is trans no longer will see trans positive content that user produces. This creates a potential spiral over time that hurts the trans community overall between all communities. And this is something I'm concerned with with lemmy.ml and even blahaj too and I'm constantly thinking of a way to fix it up better, I really feel like the federation concept has only served to split the queer community and theres got to be some way to fix it.

Hope I explained well.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You've made your points perfectly well and I don't necessarily disagree with any of them except the call for defederation.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah I would like a discussion but I don't know how amenable they are to that

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't have any bright ideas on how to fix this unfortunately (I am a dumbass after all), but I will say that it sucks seeing you in such a bad mood and I hope it all works out eventually.

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