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[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

People have been rationalizing Hamas's attacking civilians in a whole bunch of ways, but like...

The second Intifada used a lot of "terror" tactics. Stuff like attacking civilians, suicide bombings in public places, that kind of thing. Before that, the PFLP engaged in attacks against civilians.

Hamas probably did kill those people deliberately, and they probably did it because they've seen it work. The second Intifada yielded the camp David talks.

I think we should get crystal clear on this: targeting civilians is an intentional tactical choice of both Hamas and the PLO.

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think we should get crystal clear on this: targeting civilians is an intentional tactical choice of both Hamas and the PLO.

I agree. I'm sure that the IDF has greatly exaggerated the level of violence committed by Palestinian fighters, but there's a tendency in western leftist spaces to present violence against settler "civilians" as unjustifiable and argue that it was accidental or that it didn't happen.

I've said it before: when you're being colonized, it's ridiculous for the colonizers to expect you to limit any violence you might commit in your struggle for liberation to only targets they say you can attack (heavily fortified military positions armed to the teeth, so that you can be pointlessly slaughtered).

The settlers forced Palestinians into a ghetto and murdered and abused them for decades while living on the stolen land. These tactics are the only option Palestinians have left, because Israel has made it clear that violence is the only language it's willing to speak. It doesn't mean that every person that dies deserves to, but that's not the point. Israel holds all the cards. All the violence in this conflict could stop today if they chose it. This is only happening because all other options were foreclosed to the Palestinians.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

I think you need to introduce the qualifier innocent when making moral judgements on uprisings like this. Not wearing a uniform doesn't mean you're not part of the violence and without guilt. A child is an innocent civilian, someone who was born into the settler class and have no options for leaving might even be an innocent. A settler who made the choice to go to Palestine to get some Lebensraum at the expense of the indigenous population might be a civilian but he is not innocent.

And even for innocent civilians it seems like a war is the wrong place to apply individual morality. This is a war of liberation, not a legal proceedings. You can be without guilt personally and still be a valid target in warfare. Should we condemn the allies for bombing German factories during WWII, thereby killing the undoubtedly civilian and in many cases innocent factory workers? Of course not, stopping the Nazi war machine was a valid military objective just as stopping the settlements in Palestine is.

It is natural and human to recoil in disgust when you see people murdered, especially if those people did nothing wrong. Violence is horrific and war is hell but sometimes the short violence of the war for liberation is the only thing that will stop the long-lasting violence of settler colonialism.

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Should we condemn the allies for bombing German factories during WWII, thereby killing the undoubtedly civilian and in many cases innocent factory workers

This was explicitly stated as the reason to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, a terror strike on an armament factory and associated worker housing and civilian population, and I do condemn that.

[-] Vientanh@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

The Second Intifada began in Sept 2000, after the failure of the Camp David talks in July 2000. You may be thinking of the Sharm el-Sheikh Summit in 2005, which ended the Second Intifada.

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

You're right, I am

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