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"Officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused."

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[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I wonder what percentage of their rapidly diminishing military might is being used to block foreigners from leaving? seems like a poor allocation of resources... unless there's something they dont want the foreigners to tell the outside world?

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not like they ever had a chance of winning considering their definition of winning is driving the Jews into the sea. Their whole purpose is to fuck shit up and cause maximum damage and this makes sense in that context.

[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's their endgame? how does that work when they're surrounded on all sides (counting the sea)?

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want an actual answer they want the Islamic world to unite and kill everyone else, it's been a pretty constant theme for a while now from middle Eastern terror groups.

That's why the fundamentalists in change (and not living in Gaza) wanted to commit an attack Israel could not ignore, nation's like Saudi Arabia and Jordan we're getting on too well with Israel and that would ruin their chances for a middle Eastern caliphate...

[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

ah, a pipe dream then. gotcha. yeah, caliphates arent going to make a comeback.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, they're funding terrorism based on an absurd pipedream that they use to maintain their own power, sadly a very common story.

Not while America is willing to invade and bomb anyone that tries, and everyone around them when they do.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

From the footage at Rafah, feels like hundreds of foreign nationals are gathered waiting an okay from Israel and Egypt. I don't see WHY Hamas would even care to stop Palestinian Americans from leaving to the states.

[–] GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hamas intends to use those people as leverage to get their home countries to exert pressure on Israel. Hamas is basically taking them hostage.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is there any source for that idea, or that this is actually happening? The only source for this article are US officials, who are full-throated allies of Israel, so there likely could be a bias. Telegraph is widely known as biased.

[–] GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I'm just saying that a group that has taken ACTUAL hostages certainly isn't above using foreign nationals as quasi-hostages to pressure other countries to exert influence on Israel to get them to stop shelling Gaza.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I have failed to find any statement made by Egypt to confirm this.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

No evidence for that though

[–] snek@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Home counties?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't see the Palestinians, they see the Americans, and Americans are hostages and also decadents who deserve being knocked down a peg

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right now, the Israelis are bombing the Rafah crossing and blaming Hamas for the dead.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Pretty much, yes. In fact they have caused road problems on two occasions that took days of repair.

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas doesn't need to do anything. All they have to do is say nobody's getting out, which means the IDF can assume anyone running towards the exit is a terrorist making an attack. I think any foreign nationals that would ever travel to Gaza know better than to approach Israeli forces for help.

If there's anyone that doesn't want the outside world to know what's up, ask the folks who recently cut off internet access to Gaza. Who was it? It wasn't Hamas.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you seriously think Israel shut off internet to hide what's inside? Do you know satellites exist? Do you know cameras exist? How in the world was that preventing anyone from seeing into Gaza?

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely not. They just did it for the lulz. No other reason whatsoever.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Try to think as an army for just a second. When you send your troops into unknown territory which is 100% trapped, you wanna confuse your enemy. And shutting communication is exactly that.

It absolutely fails at hiding what's going on in Gaza from being revealed, but it *50% succeeds in making their enemies blind during their attack. It's just a military tactic. A proven and effective one.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

None. This is the Telegraph a known israeli propaganda outlet. Israel is literally bombing the border crossing and this newspaper is telling you that Hamas is the one responsible for it.