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[–] SpookyVanguard64@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Was made aware today that Israel has been working on a new Merkava model, the Merkava Mk.5 "Barak," which at a glance seems to best be described by an overconfidence & over-reliance on technology.

Article: https://www.edrmagazine.eu/israel-starts-delivering-the-5th-gen-merkava-barak-tank-to-its-armoured-units

A first major improvement came from sights; the commander got a new panoramic sight while the gunner’s sight is also brand new, Idan Tavor underlining that these are one or even more generation ahead of previous ones. Improvements came in electro-optic performances, which provide better imaging, “but the main step forward is that they have integrated AI into those sight that have now autonomous behaviours, and are capable to identify targets and objects by themselves.”

I seriously doubt that current AI technology is going to be better at identifying targets than a well trained crew working in conjunction with infantry support who can function as additional eyes for the tank (granted Israel's target acquisition only need be as sophisticated as to be able to determine whether someone is Palestinian or not). Best case scenario, it occasionally manages to pick out threats faster than the crew can, but I imagine the average experience using AI target acquisition is going to sifting though a lot of false positives.

The Fire Control System (FCS) has also been entirely upgraded. “The new version is faster and has better performances,” we were told, adding that the Merkava Barak is able to shoot on the move, day and night, with increased accuracy.

Being able to accurately fire on the move at both day & night has already been standard for most tanks made in the past few decades, so while it is probably an improvement over current FCS systems, I'm willing to bet it's not significant enough to really be notable.

Human-machine interface has also be completely reviews, adapting it to the young conscripts experience, multi-touchscreens with smartphone-like interface being now adopted. “We worked on it pretty hard for the last two years in order to make it very approachable for young soldiers who are used to their cell phones and playstations and now need to fight in a tank and we developed for them a very nice and new HMI.”

soypoint-1 It's like a vibeo game!!!

But seriously, what's the obsession with making everything touch screens nowadays? Especially in a military context where you'd think it'd be useful to have tactile controls that can be operated on muscle memory during high stress situations.

There's probably more stuff to pick apart, but overall it just feels like they're trying to use technology to compensate for the fact that they're frequently having to use their tanks in situations that tanks really shouldn't be used in, namely that they're being operated by under-trained conscripts to fight in urban guerilla warfare.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

“but the main step forward is that they have integrated AI into those sight that have now autonomous behaviours, and are capable to identify targets and objects by themselves.”

If this is the same "AI" every tech bro in the West is creaming their pants over, Hamas is gonna outmaneuver those trillion dollar weapon systems with $5 cardboard cutouts of themselves

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Having an "ai" that scans around for movement and human sized blobs of heat. Idk what they actually have, but some thermal cameras looking in various directions that would inform the commander when they seen people sized blobs moving on thermal would be handy.

Touch screen interfaces, though, are awful. The only upside i can think of is context based controls for different screens.

Don't write off video games when user interfaces and ux are being discussed. Game designers put a lot of work in to cramming a lot of information on screen in a way that is immediately readable, while allowing a standardized game controller to be used for many different kinds of actions.

[–] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Trying to desperately press a button on my touchscreen that's vibrating and bouncing around because it's mounted to a fucking tank while adrenaline runs high in the of battle, instead managing to activate every function but the one I wanted

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Better optics, AI for target recognition and faster fire control systems are all things that any tank commander wants and are not gimmicks. All of those things are about spotting and firing on the other guy first.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

all of those things make murdering civilians way more likely. Not that the iof cares.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

All of these things are specifically being incorporated into military hardware across the board. Look at the advances with lancet targeting or what Russia says about their newest MBTs. None of this kind of autonomous targeting capacity is unique to Israeli forces. I don't disagree that this kind of technology across the board could increase risk of friendly fire or firing on civilians, but none of it is unique to Israel. These are trends in all advanced militaries of the world.

[–] SpookyVanguard64@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Better optics & FCS is completely fine, and even some level of AI assisted target ID could be useful (like for example what @Frank@hexbear.net said with AI scanning & marking nearby heat signatures).

My problem is more that they seem to want the AI to be able to identify, classify & prioritize targets, which given the current level of AI technology & the type of war(s) Israel is fighting, seems like it would be fraught with errors. The IDF already seems extremely jumpy & prone to friendly fire incidents as is, and I'd imagine that there's a very large risk that an AI target ID system could make that problem much worse. It's also probably going to wind up being useless once the enemy figures out ways of spoofing it, 'cause then they can just overload the system with false positives.

[–] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

app store style tank

waze tank

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Lmao, the waze things is hilarious!

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[–] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Touch screens reduce production cost. Knobs cost money to produce

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Love to save $50 on my $4,000,000 tank.