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[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you say Israel and Hamas? Not Likud. Not otzma Yehudit. Just Israel. All of Israel is an enemy? But only Hamas when it comes to Palestine. What about the PLO? Are they fine? Yesh Atid? Or is it really just only Hamas but all of Israel?

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel the state, who does not truly represent their citizens. I think the way I phrased it makes that pretty goddamn clear.

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So again, the entire state of Israel? The ones elected in free and fair elections? Don't get me wrong. I am not a fan of Likud and I loathe ben Gvir and Otzma Yehudit. Just all of it. And only Hamas. The group that won what was called a free and fair election by the EU and the Carter Center and continues to be ahead in opinion polling since they have stopped elections. What are you defining as "Israel the State"?

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

We love democracy until we don't like it

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why is just the word "elections" enough for you? You need to explain how that makes the government actually speak for the people.

When was the last time you even felt like you had the option of voting for someone who actually represented you? When was the last time you thought the government was working on your behalf in any way? Representative democracy is a farce, it only offers us the choice of a handful of people palatable to the state, and the elected "representative" is not truly representative of the people, because that's a fundamentally flawed concept.

An election every couple of years to appoint a generalised, non-recallable ruler is just a smokescreen over the fact that we have a permanent political class that answers almost exclusively to capitalist oligarchs.

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

So are you arguing that both the governments of Israel and Palestine in no way represent the people they govern?