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submitted 10 months ago by gedaliyah@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Quote: "We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs."

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

Blaming the violence of Oct 7 (which Hamas did) on Israel is not defending Hamas? Walk me through that logic.

Please stop gaslighting people and saying that no one is defending Hamas.

[-] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Blaming the violence of Oct 7 (which Hamas did) on Israel is not defending Hamas?

Blaming Hamas for the situation the occupation government made, which helped radicalize people and secure funding for Hamas is not defending the disgusting occupation?

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I usually like to blame the murderer for the murder. There's certainly contributing reasons for why they killed the person, but they're still the ones who killed the person.

[-] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

maybe "blaming Hamas entirely" would have been better, but I was trying to maintain the format of the comment I was replying to.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Gotcha. I think there's a very careful distinction here between justification and reasoning, and it's all too easy to get the wording wrong. Israel created reasons for Hamas to do what they did, but that does not mean Hamas is justified in their violence. I blame Hamas entirely for the terrorist attack, but I don't blame just them for how we got here. The conservative Israeli government is also to blame for this state of affairs, but they're not responsible for the terrorist attack.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

You are literally justifying the Oct. 7 massacre of civilians including babies, peace activists, and elderly. So don't try to tell me that there are not people defending the actions of Hamas.

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