Wait how is this ableist? Is dumb a slur now? Are you trolling? I read the document linked to by the other person and I don't think it applies to the post.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Sorry. Dumb hasn't been medical terminology for a long time, and in current usage, anyone can be dumb or do dumb things. I find it liberating to have words to describe bad decisions or faulty reasoning in a non pathological manner. I think we should avoid thinking of people as lesser for lacking certain intelligences, or referring to members of an outgroup as dumb, but trying to get rid of terms like that is not worth the trouble. It's fine to use formally derogatory terms in a self depreciating manner, and people from marginalized groups can even reclaim them.

The term queer has been used as an insult, but I personally believe it's the best term to use when describing members of the LGBTQIA+ community. It encompasses all members of the community, from the most het-passing gay white men to the most flamboyant trans person. It describes the more invisible members of the community, from asexuals to intersex folks. It can even describe GNC cishet people. It basically points out that we are different, atypical, not the norm, but there isn't anything wrong with us.

Terms like the R word are still used in medical contexts, describing delays in normal development. It's being used less and less, with doctors avoiding the term as an official diagnosis. Mostly doctors use the term to describe a specific aspect of the patient, usually intelligence, but not essentialize the patient as that word. However, when it's no longer used in official medical terminology, it'll probably go the way of terms like idiot or dumb. It'll be bad to attack someone by calling them the R word when they might have genuine delays, but when used amongst your in group, it isn't worth splitting hairs over.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, we can't afford to be above educating people. Leave the post up. Learn from the mistake. Move on.

We all need to learn the things we thought are innocuous are harmful. Otherwise it's too easy to throw up our hands and says it's the euphemism tread mill. And we don't have time to waste on that.

Dear Everybody Tips on Ableist and First Person Language

[–] bownage@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is this relevant to the post? 'dumb' isn't on the list? I'm honestly struggling to see how the meme is ableist

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Common examples of ableist language are words like, “lame,” “dumb,” “retarded,” “blind,” “deaf,” “idiot,” “imbecile,’ “nuts,” “psycho,” and “spaz.”

It is listed on page 1, paragraph 3.

[–] bownage@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Huh I never knew dumb was ableist, I always thought it referred to a person's decision making rather than intellectual ability

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

The fact that they suggest using person first language tells me they aren't a good source. Identity first language is preferred in lots of neurodivergent circles. If you want to be proper you should really ask the person you are talking to what language they prefer to be used.