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Hamas leaders say they have no regrets after the October 7 attack and the goal was to 'overthrow' the status quo
(www.businessinsider.com)
this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2023
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I'm not sure I understand what you tried to say here. I was referring to Hamas's leaders motivations and the current climate in Israel, not to Israel's actions in Gaza.
That's just incorrect.
Yes my point is you can't analyze one without the other, it's a two way street with an extremely steep power disparity. It's a middle aged man repeatedly punching a child in the face because the child slapped at them.
It's not, there have been attacks but not one single one that is on the same scale but you have hundreds dead in strikes literally every day or every other day in Gaza.
Ed: ie 1400 dead vr 14000.
That's a hugely inaccurate analogy. This is an armed conflict. People are dying and this child rampaged through the aged man's internationally recognised property lines and committed the most horrendous atrocities the world has seen in 60 years.
But, again, I'm not sure I understand what this has to do with what I originally said.
Not at all, it examples a disparity of force and that disparity is just as disparit regardless of the fact it's an armed conflict. Correct, people are dying, 100x more Palestinians than isrealis the vast majority of which are under 18 and no that's not a made up number either. Property lines the same international community admits and admonishes Israel for violating and the very same that have says time and time again gazan occupation is a crime by international law.
I've already said why, you're ignoring context. You simply can't address solely one side in this conflict as both are aggressors both routinely off civilians but Israel at the moment is up by literally 100x more.
It almost sounds like you're justifying Hamas's actions.
I fully understand the context, I'm just not sure I understand what it has to do with a post I wrote about the potential escalation to a regional war.
As tragic as it is, not everything is about the suffering of the Palestinians.
How, I've made comparisons and pointed out disparity, stop projecting because you're certainly trying to absolve Israel if I'm " justifying Hamas".
How doesn't it? The escalation is 100% Israel at this point, even other nations that did back action are now backing out because hospital and school strikes leaving piles of noncombatants doesn't look good.
Nor is it in fact all about the suffering of isrealis, I do love a pot calling a kettle black though.
Justifying - I was referring to this (on a side note - Israel isn't occupying Gaza for nearly 20 years now).
Ok, so if understand you correctly, you're saying that due to the disproportionality between Israel and Hamas military capabilities, the regional Islamist extremists are joining in to balance the playing field?
Maybe. Personally I don't think so. I don't think any of these organisation really cares about the Palestinians, but they do see an opportunity.
I reckon they think that the world and Israel is so busy with Gaza that they can get away with it, similar to what Putin is now doing in Ukraine.
That was a direct response to your mention of property lines. International courts disagree with you and the constant public invasion and destruction of illegal Israeli settlements in both the West Bank and Gaza are pretty good evidence that you're wrong.
Correct, just as the us and others have backed Israel and provided support.
You're probably right, Israel certainly didn't care about them and Iran and the like are joining in because it benefits them any country would do and have done the same.
They don't care, the us will never back away from Israel. They see the bases there as integral to foreign defense. It's not particularly well known but the us operates a mountain top surveillance base in Israel which is a not unsubstantial part of why Iran is pissed.