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But do you condemn Hamas?
Yep. Shit's easy.
I think that's what you're missing. The Zionist state is indiscriminately murdering Palestinians, and has been for decades.
Hamas actions to fight back should be widely supported.
They have a UN affirmed right to armed resistance.
And they're resisting.
Let's be more specific. I condemn shooting civilians at a music festival AND I condemn Israel bombing children. One of these does not justify the other.
Most of the casualties that day were military. Of the civilians casualties, a sizeable portion if not majority were killed by the IDF. As the electronic intifada pointed out, the IDF spent the course of a day bombing people with Apache helicopters, and accounts from Israeli hostages and security personnel confirm the shelling and bombing of houses that had civilians in them. This has been confirmed by Mondoweiss.
There is growing evidence that indicates that Hamas along with the other fighters in the coalition were indeed acting defensively.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
So you oppose the zionist slaughter of innocents, but accept their framing of the 10/7 operation?
wat
What do you think is happening here? You're in the communist instance; your accepted worldview isn't universal.
I don't accept that it's been proven that Hamas fighters wholly slaughtered civilians at the music festival.
I'm sure there were some civilian casualties, but the IDF has pretty conclusively proved that they don't mind shooting through their own citizens to hit militants.
Your acceptance of the zionist-propagated view of the 10/7 operation shows that your initial condemnation of both sides is only surface level.
You've chosen a side, and it's the side of occupation.
Were the Haitian slaves wrong to rebel?
Let me extend an olive branch and make this very simple (from a Western perspective)
Our tax dollars are paying for bombs being sent to Israel to be dropped on children. That ain't right. Turn that tap off
I'm in agreement. I guess that's the important part!
Active participants in a genocidal occupation are not civilians
I actually disagree, they are IMO; many of them I'm sure were lured under the free land stuff and so on.
But ultimately you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs; and the way the Palestinian fighters managed to capture civilian hostages and infiltrate various kibbutz in occupied territory to do it will definitely make settling here a much less attractive prospect for future civilians.
And ultimately of course the zionist government kills far far more civilians and captures far more hostages as well. And they're the ones with the insane equipment and budget (offering them a much wider range of options), not the Palestinians.
oh so now geopolitics is analogous to making breakfast, that is so much easier
Is it the first time you've encountered an analogy ?
What do you want the Palestinians to do exactly ? let themselves be killed slowly over decades because if they actually resist they might produce some civilian victims / collateral damage ?
don't mind me, just pissing in the Wheaties over here
Sorry, I'm reading news and it's very depressing and making it hard to chill.
It's got me like that nowadays, too. The world is tense right now.
According to your username, you already pissed on me, now the wheaties are off the table too? Damn, you must have a very Vitamin-rich diet๐
i eat a lot of prunes and asparagus.. the asparagus doesn't make me have to go, but it always reminds me that i ate it when i do