It bothers me more than it should that people think the fucking Israel Palestine conflict is somehow even remotely simple. This shit goes back thousands of years, it didn't start in 1947 no matter how much the British fucked up and made everything worse.

These morons will proclaim that this is a genocide in one sentence, and shout death to Israel in the next.

If you truly care about genocides it shouldn't be too difficult to see the problem here.

It makes me almost miss a few weeks ago when I was being called an antisemite any time I wrote anything critical of Israel online. These days I apparently don't care enough because I don't believe in answering one genocide with another one.

That said, the Israelis did repeatedly vote for their genocidal leaders. Anything they've thought about the people of Germany throughout the decades should be coming right back at them.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Contrary to what any anti-Semitic position would have people believe, the Israelis actually do not have a strong propaganda arm. Their propaganda is weak as fuck, it strongly resembles ours during the GWB era. Anyone who remembers Colin Powell dangling a vial of anthrax at the UN should recognize it pretty well.

It'd old people propaganda.

HAMAS, however, has Q-anon on their side. They have Iranian proxies on their side. They have Russia on their side. Their propaganda is slick, their vids look like an FPS game. They use memes.

I think we're just seeing them hook the latest generation of vulnerable young people that just entered the adult conversation space in the past couple years. They don't know. It provides bulk though, sheer numbers of voices.

But there's a reason they don't type well.

[–] sab@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This I am not so sure. We are talking about a country that managed to develop nuclear weapons in secrecy, and whose secret service is known for killing off people all around the world. It would be surprising to say the least if they didn't participate in information warfare at all.

That said, American evangelical Christians seem happy to act as their disinformation footsoldiers free of charge...

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I never claimed they did not have one, that actually directly contradicts what I said in my comment.

I said they fucking suck at it, as in, are of very low skill and quality at performing the related tasks. Looking at their performance recently, would you say Mossad currently is functioning very well, and Israel is regularly getting all the intelligence it needs?

Additionally, Israel's nuke program was very likely developed in partnership with other countries. It's also not like it was some triumph for Mossad or something, giving them primary credit seems a little odd to me. Did the CIA deserve credit for the Manhattan Project?

Re-read what I said, and please pay attention to what I actually say, and let me know what you really think.