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NeoLiberal refers to lassaiz-faire capitalism. Reagan, Thatcher, Pinochet, Marty Friedman and the Chicago school of economics. Ayn Rand.
NeoLiberal has nothing to do with social policy. It doesn't care who is sucking who's dick at church or who's marrying their first cousin in their backyard bud light lazy river.
NeoLiberal = trickledown = Reaganomics
In actuality it's translated as corporatocracy.
What part of Donald Trump is against ANY of that? It is entirely the NeoLiberal revolution of the 80s, and daddies money, that allowed Trump the opportunity to rise in NYC.
Fill me in. Enlighten me. I'll be waiting.
Neoliberalism is not laissez-faire. Neoliberalism absolutely contains an entire philosophy of social policy (Hillary Clinton is a neoliberal and was the first major US politician of the modern era to support healthcare reform).
Neoliberalism is pro free trade, seeks market solutions but believes the government should work to address externalities, and is pro immigration and and anti-isolationist
There is nothing about Neoliberalism that requires Reagan's tax/economic views. As neoliberalism is essentially the policy of "follow economic orthodoxy" it's more accurate to say that Neoliberalism requires dissent from Reagan's views.
Donald Trump is explicitly a protectionist nativist who supports isolationism as a foreign policy. He is the opposite of a neoliberal.
You can not like neoliberalism, that's fine. But things you don't like can be different things.
Clinton huh? Obama...care...? Modelled off Romney(®)care? The ACA never happened? That was a pretty big deal. I don't agree with it but none the less, you're categorically, empirically wrong.
Go to wiki. Reassess your knowledge base. Milton Friedman. You want to start there.
Clinton was pushing a series of policies derided as "Hillary Care" in 1993.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
She then, in 2004, put forth the basis for her more comprehensive plan, which by 08 became her health care proposal in the 2008 primary.
It's neat what you learn when you're born before the year 2000.
Well shit, I was born in 81 whatdya know. I fucking graduated before 2000, you ain't got any footing there. You wanna talk about Jnco's? No Fear shirts? Matt Shepard being drug behind a truck and tied to a fence to die? What were you doin when news of Cobain came out? Shit my first concert was Rage Against the Machine in 96. Fucking good times.
And I knew all that, but all of that means fuckall. She was First lady, then ran for senator of NY, then secretary of state in 2012. But soooo what. What power did she really have?
Who gives a shit what HRC was trying to whip support of while first lady. She couldn't get the support, but fuck her for trying right? I'm not even a democrat, or a fan of Democrats, but I won't knock Americans for trying to help Americans. Even if I disagree with their direction. Motive is important, whole different kinds of laws come into play around it. I don't think anyone ever questioned HRCs patriotism. Hard to argue with the optics of the zero dark thirty war room. She didn't openly call for foreign aid attacking opponents in a political campaign, in and of itself is sedition. Was she a bitch? Probably. Given a choice of a leader who is a bitch vs say Mrs Butterworth, I'll take the bitch, thanks. For fucks sake, you people are impossible. Move to the south and secede. I'll stay in the NW and even vote to pay for your move.
Literally always.
100% man