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[–] Fal@yiffit.net 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The temperature measurement is true though. F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

[–] Slowy@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Kind of, but not really. 0F doesn’t mean anything special in relation to human interaction, it relates to the freezing point of some random salt and water mixture (not seawater). 32 is a random number for the freezing point of freshwater which humans do care about, and 212 is nonsense for boiling temp of water which humans also care about and routinely use. The only part pertinent is that 100 is close to, but higher than human body temperature, but not quite where it counts as a fever… just the temperature of a sub-feverish human… how is that helpful! Sorry I really don’t care for the Fahrenheit system and I’m prepared to die on this hill

[–] MidRomney@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

0 F is really cold to a human (but still livable), and 100 F is really hot to a human (but still livable). I honestly don't really care what temperature water boils at in my every day life. I know that if I put fire under a pot of water, it will boil eventually. Why would I need to know the exact temperature?

[–] taaz@biglemmowski.win 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you add pasta when the water is boiling or do you add pasta when it's 100°C? Because right now the boilng point of water for my location is 95.23°C. If I were to go skiing and wanted to boil some instant Ramen does it matter that the boiling point is 90.04°C in Leadville, CO? Or do I just put some water on the stove and wait till it boils?

[–] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Coffee brewing, if I used boiling water my coffee would taste "burnt", but if I use 80°C or so of hot water, it tastes perfect.

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[–] Fal@yiffit.net 8 points 1 year ago

Explain how it's useful in cooking. Considering it doesn't actually boil at 100 degrees unless there's very specific environmental conditions

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hard disagree. 0°F is colder than the pont it stopped being cool, but not yet really cold. 100°F is many degrees into dying of melting, but also a few degrees short of a fever worth noting.

I don't think I've ever seen either 0°F or 100°F used in any way to refer to actually temperature. It's always defining the scale or comparing to °C. Maybe once when checking for a fever.

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t think I’ve ever seen either 0°F or 100°F used in any way to refer to actually temperature. It’s always defining the scale or comparing to °C. Maybe once when checking for a fever.

What? Are you actually from somewhere that uses F? Because what kind of argument is this? You're saying that 0F isn't "really cold"? That's a very specific take likely based on the very specific region you live in. The vast majority of the world would call 0F "really cold".

And likewise, as someone from arizona, 100F is hot but not "really hot". That doesn't start until after 110 or 115. So in general, out of the entire world, 0-100 is a pretty good range of "really cold" to "really hot". Only the people who live in the specific places that regularly get much colder or hotter actually care. To most people, it doesn't really matter if it's 0 or -10 or -15, it's all too fucking cold. Just like to you 100 or 110 or 115 doesn't matter, it's all too hot.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

0 F is really cold to a human (but still livable), and 100 F is really hot to a human (but still livable)

Oh wow two numbers with a really fuzzy meaning, how convenient

I honestly don’t really care what temperature water boils at in my every day life

How about freezing? Super useful info in places that have snow and ice

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

32 is a random number for the freezing point of freshwater which humans do care about, and 212 is nonsense for boiling temp of water which humans also care about and routinely use.

Humans care about the fact that water boils or freezes. Not the temperature at which it happens

Sorry I really don’t care for the Fahrenheit system and I’m prepared to die on this hill

I'm prepared to die on the Farenheit system is better for describing environmental temperature hill

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Friend, what in Sam Hill are you on about? Celsius is obviously better for boiling water: It takes a lot more degrees to reach 212 than it does 100, so I get my ramen a lot sooner when boiling water in Celsius!

since text loses the emotional content of speechthis is a joke

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

No no, this guy's got a point!

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Humans care about the fact that water boils or freezes. Not the temperature at which it happens

What? Humans care a whole lot about the temperature at which both those things happen.

When I go outside in the morning, I know if road conditions are dangerous based on the freezing point of temperature.

When I cook something, the boiling point of water is something I can easily recognise just by looking, which allows me to use temperatures around and below it for many purposes.

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[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

212 and 100 are both equally random numbers. There's nothing special about either. Besides, water boils about 205/95 on my hill.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, 212 and 100 are not equally random. Unless you're trying to say that literally all numbers are equally random, 100 in the decimal system is much less random that 212.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Assigning the number 100 to the temperature pure water boils at sea level under specific conditions is as random as it gets. At least Farenheit numbers were based on a chemical concoction that exhibits the same temperature output regardless of elevation or pressure that they used to calibrate.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (21 children)

F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

Only because you grew up with it.

I have only had the temperature described to me in celcius so Fahrenhite makes no sense to me.

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The fever temperature, maybe. But the rest makes more sense in C. It's so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking. Counting in increments of 5 or 10 also works for weather.

<0C = below freezing

0-10C = cold

10-20C = cool (sweater or hoodie)

20-30C = t-shirt weather

30C and above = hot

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking.

Explain how this is useful in cooking

20-30C = t-shirt weather

68 to 86 is a GIGANTIC difference. 68 is cold for many many people, certainly not "t-shirt weather". and 86 is hot, much more than "t-shirt weather".

[–] BiggestBulb@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Who bundles up in 68F? It's literally room temperature

Also it's useful in cooking because it's an actual, useful scale. You know when it's 90C it's about to be boiling, just makes no sense why you gotta memorize 212F. Random number and all

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never said "bundling up". But that 10 degree range is so big as to be useless. 68 is not in the same category as 86.

You know when it’s 90C it’s about to be boiling, just makes no sense why you gotta memorize 212F.

What? How often are you putting thermometers in whatever it is you're boiling? You just heat it until it boils. It doesn't matter what the number is.

[–] MidRomney@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for making sense lol. Who's putting a meat thermometer in water to make sure it's boiling? It's boiling when it's boiling.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

people actually use boiling water to calibrate their meat thermometers, but they always forget to check their elevation. boiling point here is 205 degrees, and 7 degrees matters when say chicken is safe at 160 but you actually pulled it off at 155

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

i dunno, 68F on a cloudy windy day isn't as pleasant as 68F and sunny.

But then again I'm from Ohio and I won't bother to put on so much as a vest until it hits 50s

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

100 is absolutely a random number, just fetishized.

[–] ThisOne@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

68f is for sure t-shirt weather. 86f is for sure T-shirt weather.

Who TF bundles up if it's 86 deg.

Super confused, you bundle up at 68f for normal ideal summer temps? Or is 68-86 Gigantic enough you need long sleeves? Or like just low keyed afraid are you of the outdoors at 20c? Spoiler alert... It's nice?

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

68f is for sure t-shirt weather.

68 is not t-shirt weather for a lot of people.

What is this about "bundling up"? Literally no one said anything about bundling up. But 68 and 86 are just fundamentally different temperature categories.

you bundle up at 68f for normal ideal summer temps? Or is 68-86 Gigantic enough you need long sleeves?

68 means you may or may not need a jacket, depending on the wind, fog, etc. It also means you should probably carry a jacket because it's likely to drop down below "t-shirt" weather when the sun goes down. 86 means you'll likely not need a jacket at all, even at night. And it means the wind will be refreshing rather than biting. And it might mean shorts as well.

Like, I just don't believe that you can't understand how 68 and 86 are fundamentally different temperature categories

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[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

i literally set my thermostat at 69 because its t shirt warm.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a funny argument I see from Yanks all the time.

Someone teach these Yanks about negative numbers, please!

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do negative numbers have to do with anything? -1F = cold as fuck

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (17 children)

. F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

Usually this silly argument is about 0-100 thing. But Yanks don't seem to understand that you can do negative numbers, you don't have to be within 0-100 range.

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[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You forgot to consider that people interact with ovens and freezers

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