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Based on my experience in lemmy, if you are avoiding antisemitism, mastodon probably isn't a good place to go.
Lemmy is probably still one of the best I've seen; but that's also a reallyyy low bar.
There is a lot of anti-Israel on lemmy, but I believe in good faith it isn't coming from a core place of anti-semitism. Like like, anti-US if anything.
People jump to conclusions real fuckin fast on here, so let me put a disclaimer:
The Palestinian people, and the Israeli people, are ultimately the victims of everything that is happening and has happened in recent months. The Israeli government, and Hamas, are both terrorist organizations that need to be stopped.
That out of the way, I agree with you. There are people on here that express legitimate grievances with Israel, and a lot of folks will immediately counter that they must be supporting Hamas.
You can speak up about genocide without supporting Hamas parading around the corpses of dead civilians, but lemmy leans towards the latter.
Don't be disingenuous about the conversation.
I haven’t seen what you’re talking about at all tbh
If you're seriously interested I can bring you the receipts.
Edit: although to be fair to us both your instance has already been defederated from the most guilty other instances, so you would be the least likely to see it anyway.
It's quieted down lately, but the month of October had a ton of people saying the victims deserved what Hamas did. It was disgusting.
Nope, what I've heard on lemmy is that Hamas killing civilians at a festival and parading their bodies is morally just and equivalent to black civil rights protests.
If I bring the receipts will you have the backbone to take the L and admit you are being disingenuous and I am not?
Here's one from 30 minutes ago my current time:
https://midwest.social/comment/4924851
Note the "complete support for the Palestinian liberation struggle", and any criticism of Hamas is because of is "imaginary" problems.
Yeah, that's how dog whistles work.
So you started with gaslighting, now it's "snowflake" and "crybaby", that tells everything about who you are.
I haven't seen the latter, but I admit I don't go out of my way to enter those particular corners. That's sick behavior whoever is perpetrating it. Hamas is fucked and needs to disappear. The Israeli regime is also fucked and needs to disappear.
My anti-Israel stance is about the shitty humans in charge of its current regime and their abhorrent human rights abuses. It has nothing to do with the religion of anyone involved, except to the extent that all fundamentalism is bad.. my heart goes out to all the Israelis who have been hurt by their government's bad decisions - which includes cultivating a violent extremist opposition allowing them to justify violence of their own. The US uses the same playbook, and I condemn it for that too.
Are you confusing animtisem with being against a horrific genocide that has being going on for decades? A lot of Americans don't seem to be able to make the destination. Hamas is a shockingly disgusting terrorist group, that doesn't mean Israel isn't a shockingly disgusting terrorist state. Being anti Israel is not the same as being anti Jewish
There's still a significant portion that are straight up hamas apologists, and straight up anti-semitists that use the "I'm criticizing Israel, not jews" just like "I'm not racist, I have a black friend."
Israeli is not the same as Jewish, as much as the the Israelis want to push that narrative to claim anyone who criticises their genocide is an anti-semite.