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C'mon, this is easy... all you need is a large gathering of BLM people or antifa packing ARs and boom - this law will mysteriously pass before the media frenzy has had a chance to get it's shoes on.
I've been saying this for a decade. Let's get the sikhs out open carrying AKs.
Nah, the result of that would be the national guard getting called and an oppressive use of force to put everyone back in their places. The media would either briefly display it in the news ticker mentioning that our national heros quelled a local terrorist attack or just say nothing about it.
Do you know why they never called the national guard on the Black Panthers? Or why the pig never dared to confront them directly?
This is nothing more then a marketing campaign by the gun lobby to sell bullshit hero fantasies to left wing people too.
"The pig" killed 34 members of the Black Panther Party, including outright assassinations.
When the full details of the FBI involvment was revealed, the director of the agency issued a public apology for "wrongful use of power" and exactly 0 members of the pro-gun community used their guns to overthrow a government running projects like COINTELPRO.
The BPP being armed didn't just fail to deliver on everything you're promising, it provided all the justification the state needed to abuse and murder them -- an excuse police still use to this day.
The left doesn't need "marketing" to appreciate the value of modern-day weaponry - all we need for that is a proper understanding of the right and their liberal allies.
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" - the big kahuna himself, Karl Marx.
I'm no Marxist myself, but damn - when the guy was right he was really right.
It's pig. Not "pig".
I wonder why they couldn't just lynch Fred Hampton on the sidewalk like they did with George Floyd - it's a complete mystery to me.
Riiiight... because the fascists have always required an excuse to perpetrate mass-murder on people they consider "other," correct?
The gun laws you're advocating armed this shithead and thousands of others like him.
He deliberately targeted minorities and legal gun owners did nothing to prevent it and will do nothing to prevent it happening again, because the only solutions they support are the ones that just happen to be most profitable to the gun lobby.
Your guns saved neither of those people but sure, tell us how George Floyd would have gone done in your little gun utopia.
Should George have shot the cops? He'd still be dead, only now the people who wanted to kill him would be walking free.
Should a passerby have shot the cops? They'd be dead instead of (or as well as) George and once again, the cops would be walking free, probably with an even bigger budget.
Your bullshit "lets just shoot our problems" doesn't help anybody except the far-right and the gun lobby.
You've done fuck all to create actual reforms, you just advocate other people sacrifice their lives.
If you're so convinced you have the solution to systemic violence and oppression, go out and shoot the county better. We're all waiting for you to make all this violence worth it, like you promise you will and have been promising you will for 20 years.
Until then, you're only aiding scumbags and can stick your guns down your piss hole.
No, Clyde... a fundamentally white supremacist state brainwashed him and millions of others like him - and your only solution to all this is to disarm the people most likely to be targeted by these fascists?
I guess it's true what they say... the only thing fascism really needs to flourish is a bunch of liberals to furrow the ground for them.
Do you have a head injury? My solution is to not arm the white supremacists, even if it inconveniences gun owners.
Meanwhile, your solution is to enthusiastically arm white supremacists over and over again and when they gun down as many, blame the victims for not carrying a gun with them at all times.
How is anyone supposed to believe you're not a white supremacist or simp to the gun lobby?
They seem to be flourishing well enough with their AR-15s and your no-strings-attached support.
If you have the solution, why isn't it solved? Go out and shoot somebody and fix it.
Feel free to explain how you will be disarming white supremacism's most enduring institution - ie, the police.
They are already armed - to the teeth. They are literally armed with your tax dollars.
Then why aren't you shooting them? Why isn't this solved if you have the solution to this problem that's life or death for so many people?
Is it because your solution doesn't work? Is it because you want other people to do the dying and life imprisonment? Or is it because you only want to point to the problem to drum up gun sales?
There's no possible out from here that makes you a good person, let alone a hero.
This isn't an 80s action movie, Clyde - come live in the real world for a while, won't you?
So you basically admit that you have no way of dealing with the most dangerous, most unaccountable, and most thoroughly funded white supremacist institution to ever exist - who, I should mention, have easy access to millions of firearms that they happily distribute to their fascist proxies no matter what your precious laws say.
Your toxic liberal feel-good morality means squat to me.
Oh so you're not going to fix the problem by shooting it now?
Sounds like you went limp the moment you had to offer actual steps for people to follow.
It's pretty clear your entire plan is "gun" and honestly, that's already being too kind to it. You can't even connect your fantasy to reality, let along make it happen.
Of course it doesn't, you're a self-absorbed fuckwit who expects other people to die for their hobby and hero fantasies. I never expected any different.
I just didn't want your bullshit propaganda infecting anyone with a mind worth changing because the sooner people see through it, the sooner the problem can be fixed.
Which part of...
...didn't you get the first time around?
So, again... you have no way of dealing with the most dangerous, most unaccountable, and most thoroughly funded white supremacist institution to ever exist.
Good chat, liberal... it's always good to be reminded that your ilk will, at best, not raise a finger to stop the fascists - and, at worst, you will be actively aiding and abetting them.
Still waiting to hear what you've solved with your guns, the thing you're repeatedly claiming is the solution that makes all the mass murder worth it.
At this point, it's clear you can't actually explain how your solution works.
...and again - you have no way of dealing with the most dangerous, most unaccountable, and most thoroughly funded white supremacist institution to ever exist.
You are not entitled to solutions if you are unwilling to even admit to the problem, liberal.
Hurl all the shit-tier insults you want but nothing is more neoliberal than putting profits before people's lives, then when none of your promises come true, blaming people for not giving them enough money.
FTFY, liberal.
Lmao you'd lose any war you fought.
The idea that you can own a gun and be safe from state violence has never once paid off for anyone who buys into it.
Appeasing the status quo is only an option for the privileged, Clyde.
Do tell... will the pigs be siccing their Klan and neo-nazi proxies onto you first thing or won't they?
How many police and Nazis have you shot? Would you like to compare it to how many people neo-nazis and racist police have shot?
There is any other kind of police?
Yes, the ones that come after major reforms to training and accountability, that you haven't shot your way to, despite insisting that it's not just possible, but ideal.
ROFLMAO!
Do tell... how do you "reform" something that is working as intended?
It's cool, we don't need to, because you're going to shoot the problem better with your guns, the moment you've finished letting the internet know how tough and cool you are.
Probably safe to leave it for a few more summary executions of minorities and domestic terrorist attacks trageting children though right?
So your only "answer" to all of this is to render the targets of fascism even more vulnerable than they already are.
Just bog-standard liberalism, eh?
Love the gymnastics.
A Nazi and an "undesirable" are locked in a room together. You give the Nazi a gun, but somehow, magically, you haven't made their soon-to-be murder victim "more vulnerable". But if I say "stop giving guns to fucking fascists", I'm the one making people "more vulnerable".
Of course, it doesn't end there. When people ask you why the fuck you're always giving Nazis guns, your answer is "well the minority could have had a gun too, so they'd have been even, but only the Nazi asked".
But "evening the odds" by arming neither? Nope, that's unacceptable, the odds can only be evened with guns.
Sounds to me like you've been getting your opinions from racists and people who profit from gun sales and you haven't even noticed.
Except that's not what you're saying at all.
You don't even seem to understand that you are arming fascists with your tax dollars, Clyde - you don't get a choice in the matter, either. Where the fuck do you think the white supremacist support group you optimistically call police get their arsenals from?
Who do you think does the dirty work of keeping a fundamentally white supremacist society fundamentally white supremacist?
The tooth fairy, maybe?
You genuinely think you're a hero for just owning a gun don't you? Nobody is intimidated, least of all the police.
You can't simultaneously claim that the police are a white supremacist group only out to kill minorities and that selling idiots and domestic abusers firearms stops the police from being a white supremacist group only out to kill minorities.
But why bother with logic, let alone facts. That doesn't sell nearly as many guns as lying and astroturfing does.
The reason your views on guns line up perfectly with high ranking members of a group you've repeatedly claimed are unreformable fascists is because that's exactly where those views have come from.
But don't worry, I'm sure that people who want to murder their way to an ethnostate and slave economy wouldn't just lie and tell you that something that helps them is actually the only way to harm them.
Like every useful idiot, they told you something you wanted to be true and you wrapped your warm little mouth around then and swallowed without a single critical thought.
I don't have to claim that which is patently obvious, Clyde... or will you be demanding proof that the earth isn't flat next?
Which logic is that, Clyde? You can't even see the police for what they truly are - you shouldn't be harping on about "logic".
Yes, I admit it... actual leftists and right-wingers agree that weaponry (which includes a whole bunch of stuff apart from firearms) are necessary tools. We both agree that hammers are used for nails, too. Or that living creatures generally require oxygen.
Are you talking about those people you have readily admitted you will offer no resistance to? Are those the people you are talking about?
Best of luck with your gun store.
I'm a leftist, Clyde... these crates of AKs are not for sale - they are for distribution.
Whatever lies help you sleep at night but we both know you've never given away a gun, just like you've never done anything except enable mass shootings and hate crimes.
I'm not the one trying to make life easy for fascists - that's you, Clyde.
What a weird comment
Nothing strange about asking white liberals how they will be appeasing the fascists once the fascists are in power - after all, you will not be the ones they target first, will you?
... first they came for the communists
... and the pro-gun community did nothing because they hate communists.
it's a poem about nazi Germany.
I'm aware.
We already have heavily armed BLM and Antifa folks. Oregon contains multitudes.
The law in question was doomed to fail. I'm halfway sure it was put on the ballot just to encourage pro gun people to vote.