Are you seriously saying that the customer who pays full price and no more is "a piece of shit", and not management who chooses to underpay the staff?

I'm not having any of that. I'd rather just not eat out. Enjoy no tip AND one less customer.

I'll pay extra when I get extra. I paid over 150% yesterday. I've given big tips for free services. People sometimes give my cash tip back assuming I accidentally gave them 10x my intention. But not when it's a simple transaction when I get what I ordered and I'm paying the advertised price.

[–] Jordan_U@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I am saying that "the customer who pays full price and no more is "a piece of shit".

"and not" ??

"management who underpays staff".

Both of those people would be peices of shit.

I don't really understand why you would expect anyone to think that only one of those could possibly be shit at the same time.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Fair enough, they can both be shit. I just don't see how it's my responsibility as a customer, to fix the problem that the resto is underpaying its staff.

The way I usually do my part to help workers who are not treated well, is to boycott the employer. If tipping is seen as a solution to that problem, I'd call that enabling. Tipping is the only reason restos can get away with grossly underpaying their staff. I don't want to support that.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 1 points 11 months ago

Either you don't understand anything about wage lawsin the US or you just aren't grounded in reality. Yes, lowering somebody's income because you don't like their boss's business decisions is a dick move. Indeed, the solution in this case is for you not to eat out in the US because you are apparently incapable of thinking about the consequences of your actions and who they really affect.

Are you really that stupid/shortsighted? Or is the anger at the system just clouding your judgement as I had suggested?

[–] RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The person who pays "full price and no more" in this case is @Shayeta... who was just suggesting that the price be increased so the "more" is in the price. "Full price" is whatever the shitty owner says it is, not whatever the product or service is worth and definitely not what the customer thinks it's worth.

So $10 plus a $3 tip is "paying extra" to you people but you're gonna happily pay the same shitty owner $15 "and no more" for the same meal literally because they said so. I think the clearest I can be is to point out that they're offering the "extra," just exclusively to the owners and never to the workers.

Now I'm wondering whether it's some shamefully covered-up phobia of maths or just licking some capitalist footwear under the guise of a kind of false consumerism.

[–] Shayeta@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

Knowing how much food+service costs up front benefits the customer by allowing them to make an informed decision.

Having a higher pay benefits the workers by making their income consistent and allowing them to more easily compare salaries offered by different restaurants.

Tipping in its current state benefits only the owner by lowering operational costs and forcing the workers to depend on the generosity of the customer, conviniently making workers feel like they are getting shafted by the customer instead of the person who actually hired them.

[–] filoria@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The only way to institute change in an industry is by changing the supply/demand dynamics. If servers are underpaid, there'll be less people willing to be servers (supply goes down) which will drive prices up. Every time you tip, you are intentionally interfering with the fair market for service labour.

The solution to the problem is not to grin and bear the status quo, but to convince other people to not tip. At least, according to typical economic theory.