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when you buy pork, the person who killed the pig has already been paid.
That's just useless semantics, neither funny nor clever. The pig you bought may be dead, but the money you pay will be used to raise and kill other pigs.
it's not semantics
It absolutely is. If you eat pork, you indirectly pay for pigs to be slaughtered. Full stop.
the pig was slaughtered in the past, before I walked into the store or decided what I'm eating this week. everyone involved was paid before all that, too.
They wouldn't kill, or even raise the pig if they didn't count on the money down the chain. We indirectly but surely pay for pigs to be created / killed, for our consumption.
It's fine if you don't care about that or accept it as your standards, that's your choice and fair in our current social context. Just realize the economics behind it.
all those people are paid before I even decide whether I'm going to buy bacon.
Yes, but they only pay those people if they expect to make a profit by selling the end product to you. You are one of the people who make it worthwhile to set up a chain of payments like that.
If they do not expect you (or other people) to buy the meat, they won't pay those people to raise / kill the pigs.
Whether it's you this time or someone else doesn't matter. As long as there is a demand by end consumers they will continue. If no-one buys it they stop, it's that simple.
You're part of the group that enables this dynamic and your money goes to paying those people. It's fine if you like meat, just don't deny this basic logic.
I'm confident that pigs were slaughtered before the invention of money.
They would stop doing it commercially. You are free to kill a pig and eat it, so are other people. Or trade it, but that's again economics.
Mass production of meat is a luxury that would never have this scale if people had to find, raise and slaughter pigs themselves.
You supporting mass production of meat is paying to raise, kill and consume pigs. Which is still fine in our society, just see it as it is.
I believe if I didn't buy meat, it would continue to be made, and in ever-increasing quantities. my purchases have no impact whatsoever on whether any animal is bred, raised, or slaughtered.
I'm not responsible for managing other people's expectations.
No you're not, but to dismiss that your actions still have influence on other people/systems is short-sighted.
Once more, it's fine if you eat meat. You don't have to consciously manage other people's expectations. But just know that you automatically do. Buying meat is supporting the future production of meat, that's all.
you are stretching the definition of"support" to meaninglessness.
And with wat money? Your money and everyone else's that buys meat. Not that it matters though, I'll keep eating my meat.
money can't travel back in time.
No it doesn't. But money does allow them to keep going...
they are paid before the bacon enters the store
Yeah, by everyone that buys meat. It's simple. If we all stop buying it now they're gonna run out and stop producing meat. The meat you buy today pays the meat that enters the store later.
no, it doesn't. it pays the store today. that's it.
And the store pays the supplier, the supplier pays the farm, and everything in between. Not sure if you're being serious.
after I spend my money, it's not mine anymore and I don't get to decide what happens to it. same is true whether I buy beans from the store or bacon.
do you have a plan to get everyone to stop buying meat now? it sounds like a pointless hypothetical that we can't even test.
No, I won't stop buying meat, it's delicious.
I give my money to the same people that you do: a grocer.
I murder my own wildlife for free
It's actually irrelevant whether or not you buy a product made from slave labour, the product is already made! How much product is made is completely independent of how much gets purchased, because that's how markets work!