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PARIS, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Six teenagers go on trial behind closed doors on Monday, accused of involvement in the beheading of French history teacher Samuel Paty by a suspected Islamist in 2020 in an attack that struck at the heart of the country's secular values.

The teacher had shown his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression, angering a number of Muslim parents. Muslims believe that any depiction of the Prophet is blasphemous.

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[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 87 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Religious extremists are the touchy ones. Plenty of Muslim folks who go on with their lives in peace.

I do agree that islamist extremists are the worst.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To be honest, the Nationalist Christians (Nat-C’s) that we have here at home are pretty fucking unsettling. They know that it’s their god-given right to be in charge of everything and they will “save” everyone by trying to force their twisted interpretation of religious texts onto the populace with zero compromise, because “that’s god’s plan”.

They’re just as bad as Islamic extremists; they’re just committing their violence in more official channels and in a slower fashion, up until the day that they manage to get an unshakable hold on power (read: establish a “theocratic” dictatorship, like the Republic of Gilead from Handmaid’s Tale, which they took as an aspirational goal instead of a cautionary story).

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago

Yep. They're killing people through legislation and propaganda, instead of more directly observable ways. But it's still clear

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, at the most, the Muslims in my life would've said "hey I find that disrespectful can you please not" and go about their day.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

Give them power and let's see how they behave.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd argue those muslims are not properly following the text of their religion.

Same for the more "tolerant" Christians, but that's not the point of this conversation.

[–] dotMonkey@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

You could make that argument. It would just be a baseless emotional argument disputed by facts.

Read the books man. It's all right there in the text.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 22 points 11 months ago

In Europe there are more Muslim refugees though, than, for example, in North America which gets more regular Muslim immigrants.

It's a specific problem in Europe with an influx of refugees from war torn and poor countries who are often troubled, more extreme in their religion and potentially less educated (because they fled from shitty countries).

I guess it's more connected to those circumstances than with Islam in itself. Statistically, more educated and better off people are less religious. I suspect that's the same with Muslims?!

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You don't get to say "some Muslims are in peace". Muslims are part of a religion that is causing a lot of troubles.

When someone is part of a big organization, like the police, one does not get to say "not all of us are pigs". If they are not raising their hand and telling on the shitty people causing problems, then everyone is the problem.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Everyone says this bullshit until it's their group causing the problems and then all of a sudden they deserve mercy and understanding for how complex their situation is.

Most Muslims are decent people. If they weren't, the west would be in a continuous state of violence. People like you are just racist assholes looking for any excuse to justify your prejudice.

You don't get to judge an entire group by the worst members without it coming back to bite you in the ass some day.

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If I were part of a religion that is so extrem that is killing people and attacking members of the LGBT community, etc, I would 100% leave said religion/group. Its not really that hard to do it. A decent person wouldn't be a part of those kind of groups.

[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean... you're a citizen of a country, right?

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Once again a stupid analogy. I can't be not a citizen of any country. You can be not a member of any religion.

[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You can choose to leave a country and join a different one. But you haven't, so you belong to it.

But your thought processes are clearly blocked. I'm certainly not going to try to open them. Closed minds are boring.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You wouldn't give a shit if you did. Most of my Muslim friends aren't religious at all, pro-LGBT and everything. They still get shat on by racist fucks like you. You don't care about people.

[–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

your addiction to analogies hasn't helped you a bit into at least making proper analogies

[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And your education has sadly failed you in teaching you what an analogy is.

An analogy is a comparison. I wasn't comparing, just trying to teach you a basic logical thought process. Don't worry, I've given up on that. I can see why your teachers failed. Prejudice is a hell of an intelligence blocker.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Oh so you have the whole world figured out now? Collective punishment is for fascists.

Fucking piece of shit. You're no different from the intolerant people you hate so much.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Quick glance tells me you're mexican.. Which Cartel do you work for then?

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Cartels aren't a religion that are trying to expand over the world.

It is honestly, with all due respect, a very stupid comparison.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works -3 points 11 months ago

Just saying; your take wasn't exactly enlightened either.