AI have no rights. Your AI creations are right-less. They belong in the public domain. If not, they are properties of the peoples whose art you stole to make the AI.
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You shouldnt be able to make money and steal from artists who made the AI art possible in the first place though, youre taking for granted that the art is free in the first place and more of these people online should be paid
the art of actual artist which is being stolen and used to make pastiches by tech companies with billions of VC bucks behind them. Like are you intentionally failing to see the point here?
It is absolutely being stolen when the art of people is being taken by VC funded tech companies and repurposed for commercial use without any compensation nor permission. Are you doing a bit right now?
I think it's bizarre to see "Socialists" siding with techbros and VC companies against artists and workers. The economic relationship is why it's theft. The creation of art is for many artists how they sell their labor, how they make money, how they get food on the table, generative AI does not currently exist in any capacity except large tech companies who are commercializing this art without the permission of these artists often explicitly against their wishes and reaping the full rewards of that. It is an exploitation of their work.
The luddites were right you realize of course? My issue is with capitalism yes, and the expansion of copyright to an industrialized art theft ring run by tech companies to the detriment of artists. Something you are cheerleading based on... what, contrarianism? A desire to be fucking wrong?
No they weren't. Luddites were fighting to keep the unwashed masses from weaseling in on their jobs. This is middle class reactionary stupidity. Read some fucking theory. Value is a product of labor. Lower labor costs lowers the value of products.
The automation of equipment makes jobs for less skilled people and raises the living standards of everyone. Lower cost of production makes goods cheaper as all.
Its true the increased profits make the rich richer buy they do it at the expense of the skilled labor and artisan middle class. The middle class uphold the capitalist status quo. If their standard of living falls they are more likely to see and act on the contradictions of capitalism than if they stay in the comfort of the middle class.
The reason that communism will win is that Capitalists will inevitably destroy the middle class making them working class which will radicalize them.
My art is work, i should be paid for it. Its weird socialists are laying cover for corporations and the robbing humanity out of another human experience. Youre not entitled to a perfect drawing of Hank Hill smoking weed, you do the best of your ability and thats fine.
The article in question is about an individual stealing art made by another individual using AI.
There were no corporations involved. This isn't AI company vs Artist. This is AI artist vs website that posted AI art they didn't make.
Piracy is not the same as IP fraud, which is what the OP amounts to
not an artist, but from what I've heard they're also scared of missing out on cheap revenue because of of increased competition for commissions of repetitive/generic art. Lots of artists use them to support themselves doing other types of art they care more about.
Plus when you're starting out, all your work is low quality and now there's a much bigger supply of low quality art it's more difficult for beginner artists to make money for their work.
The root issue is that money and copyrights should both not exist
but yes in the meantime whatever helps the artists the most should be done, but of course it won't because why would it
nobody stole anything. they got a copy of the data of an image. That data is publicly available and anyone looking at that image on their computer has a copy of that data.
I'm not against artists being paid. I'm saying that AI is nothing without an operator and that means AI art is made by artist who should be afforded all rights of any other artist.
Youre again taking for granted that a lot of the art is free, when it shouldnt be. The people who make that art should be making a living doing something that takes so much work and study to be able to do.
That is a capitalism problem not an AI problem.
Okay but until we lose capitalism it doesnt matter does it
I might be misunderstanding, but it sounds like you aren't drawing a line between being able to view, save, and edit data on your computer for whatever personal reasons vs. turning that data around to make a profit.
the data that a LIM is pushing out is not substantiative based on any one image. If an individual cuts up 1000 magazines to make a colage and resells it did they infringe on the copyrights of a photographer who took one of the pictures? They took that person's data and turned it around to make a profit.
The problem is the stealing of labor. Not by you, mind, but by the people who put together these AI codebases. Artists did not put up images expecting them to be able to automatically used to obsolete their job, they expected people to directly copy or save them, which would maintain their IE signatures and stuff. This is why artists really dislike tracing, because taking someone else's creative expression and passing it off as your own is a (subjectively) kind of scummy thing to do that's much worse than piracy or IP theft (not because it's particularly bad, but because those things are like literally not bad at all).
The issue is fundamentally that AI models are exploiting someone's labor to be created. It's just the same kind of labor exploitation we always do but scaled up a bit.