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Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine (www.businessinsider.com)

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging Russians to have more children. 
"Large families must become the norm," Putin said in a speech Tuesday. 
Russian birth rates are falling amid war in Ukraine and a deepening economic crisis.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging women to have as many as eight children as the number of dead Russian soldiers continues to rise in his war with Ukraine, worsening the country's population crisis.

Addressing the World Russian People's Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.

"Many of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, had seven, eight, or even more children," Putin said.

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[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I knew they weren’t winning, but I didn’t realize things were this bad. Fuck. I mean, yay for Ukraine, but damn, Putin is a horrible human being.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Things are pretty bad for Ukraine, too.

Both of them are relying on conscription and made it illegal for military-aged men to leave the country.

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is not illegal for military-aged men to leave Russia - only if you already have draft papers on hand.

The question is - which countries are still ready to accomodate Russians on their side.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

only if you already have draft papers on hand.

Or with new laws if voencom marked you as drafted.

The question is - which countries are still ready to accomodate Russians on their side.

Btw which? Asking for a friend. Do not suggest Belarus or Kazahstan.

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are always Armenia and Georgia, but they are already overburdened with Russians. There are Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, there is Azerbaijan, there is Kyrgyzstan, there is Mongolia, there is Serbia, there is Thailand, there are less obvious/more expensive/more extreme options like Equador, Palestine (eh), the Bahamas, Mauritius, Marocco, Panama, and there are unrecognized countries like South Osetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria. And if you have time to prepare visa in advance there are many, many more options.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

South Osetia and Abkhazia are Putin's puppets.

Thanks.

And if you have time to prepare visa in advance there are many, many more options.

Hmm... What are chances of getting visa somewhere in EU?

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Slim, to say the least.

Still, you can try getting educational/work visa somewhere in Finland, or France, for example, and go from there.

Or, if you're in danger other than mobilization, you can try to request political asylum - things get worse with that too, but it's still possible.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Thanks

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The problem is under a dictatorship no one can really tell you things are bad, until that problem boils over into another generals line of authority.

Which for Russia, they are finding out, that even if they win this war, they will have to scale down production because they won't have the manpower for that production in 20 years

Which means even if they can hold Crimea, they won't have the production to work Crimea as well as the Ukrainians.

[–] Norgur@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Thing is: Ukraine cannot work Crimea like it used to either because they face the same, gruesome problem

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

Terrible, but least they can hope for some kind of help after the war. They’re not an international pariah like Russia is.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

The gruesome problem keeping Ukraine from working crimea is the Russian state's insistence on wiping Ukraine off the map. It's been 100 years of subjugation at best.