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[–] IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

NOBODY has done more damage to free speech rights than the fucking fascist free speech grifters like Musk, Jones, Shapiro, Peterson, and every other loud outhed pussy-assed radical fascist shitbag. Free speech was a regular, normal thing in the US until they showed up around 1992. Thanks to those assholes I am now ALL FOR regulated speech whether by legal means or baseball bat. Their entire motivation is to complain about free speech, gain power with this basic ideal, and then remove ALL rights from others, including and especially gun rights and free speech.

Take them out first

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You Americans can do with a little less gun rights. Might actually be healthy.

Oh, that is after getting universal healthcare and better public transport first.

Maybe then America might become an actual developed country.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

At least I died free

---a shockingly large number of American schoolchildren

[–] IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am all for less guns rights as soon as the alt-right fascists are either mowed down or expelled. Not one second before though.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's not how you fix your country. Your way of thinking will only produce more animosity and extreme ideologies.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

how do I meet in the middle with the people openly calling for me to be rounded up and executed by the government, then? what's the strategy for winning them over in the marketplace of ideas and why hasn't it worked yet?

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't. The current generation and the generation under them cannot be "won over". What is required is 3 or 4 generations of reeducation.

And you can't suddenly change to this new education either. It needs to be done slowly, covertly, with a lot of patience and over a long time. You will have to be the bad guy who's secretly "brainwashing the children."

So long as no organised body has the balls to do this the only other option is for America to face the same kind of utter destruction 2 world wars have done to Europe so that the country can be rebuilt from the ground up. Literally.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Your first paragraph could be Alabama or Gaza....

[–] agitated_judge@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's called "education". It takes a few decades to get some results though. Unfortunately nobody tried it yet.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it takes a few decades to get results

the armed mob chanting "kill f*ggots, kill all transgenders" is in the streets today, not a few decades from now.

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I understand it's a sad reality, but those people can't reasonably be changed anymore. What we can do is work towards a better future while we keep looking at what can be done today.

[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Musk couldn't care less about free speech. He has implemented a policy that bans you for using the word "cisgender" while he responds to nazi propaganda with personal admiration.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Musk couldn’t care less about free speech. He has implemented a policy that bans you for using the word “cisgender”

How did he accomplish that, given how he doesn't have any kind of political power? Or are you confusing "free speech" with company policy?

[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The concept of speaking freely is not exclusive to legislation. Musk specifically bought this platform because, according to himself, he saw it as an important place for human discourse and the freedom to speak your mind was being inhibited by the policies around moderation. Which is ironic because he implements policies that ban you for speaking out over arbitrary topics while the previous policies simply banned hate speech.