this post was submitted on 03 Dec 2023
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Death to NATO

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[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

full NATO backing didn't make a lick of difference

We're seeing what "full NATO backing" really means: we'll sell you weapons, but we're not dying for you or risking a wider war. That's a lot less valuable than what NATO was sold as.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, Ukraine is technically not part of NATO, but I really can't imagine that the level of support would be significantly different if an actual NATO member was under attack.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I imagine actual NATO members are wondering the same thing, which doesn't bode well for NATO.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They'll start demanding more money from the member states and trying to increase membership. They're already putting pressure on the Irish government to drop our "neutrality".

[–] FightingGirlfriend@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The most bonkers part being how ambivilent everyone seems to be about it. Not that we were ever actually neutral, but still.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bonkers as in you expected more people to oppose it, or that you thought more people would support it?

[–] FightingGirlfriend@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 months ago

I expected more to oppose it. But I mean, my expectations for people having even the most basic political acumen gets lower and lower every day.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago

Indeed, and the fact that US is basically the only member of NATO with a serious military must be increasingly concerning for Europe now. If US gets bored of Europe and decides to pivot to China or the Middle East, then European NATO members are going to be in a very difficult position.

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Where do I go in 15 years when my kids are drafted to fight for the noble polish invasion of Kaliningrad?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 11 months ago

I do wonder how crazy things are gonna get in Poland in the next few years.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Pray that they remembered what you taught them about how to get away with fragging their officers.