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Which bartender do you feel was better utilized in their show, Guinan or Quark? (startrek.website)

submitted 1 year ago by Datas_Cat_Spot@startrek.website to c/startrek@startrek.website

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I'll start.

For Guinan: I loved that her character was that classic trope of the "bartender / therapist" who was always around, but never got too involved in the main plot. She would give casual advice, but wasn't officially an "advisor", so it served the show well for the main characters to share what they were thinking.

For Quark: He was unquestionably the better developed character, with his own wants and desires that frequently intertwined with the main plot. He also served as a sort of foil to the values of the federation, which let the viewers see how greed was incompatible with the best interests of the people.

I love both. Which was your favorite? Which approach did you like better for the "bartender" character?

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[–] Captain_Ender@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm the same, but. holy. fuck.

Season 1 is bearable, and has some neat things like The Borg 2.0 and go a little deeper into Data's story. But season 2 is absolute fucking garbage. I tired for months to get through it and finally quit on the last 2 episodes. Holy fuck it's honestly one of the worst seasons of any TV show ever not just Trek. I'm not gonna lie it kinda ruined the ironic character I grew up watching a little for several months.

So yeah if you don't want that, skip to 3. Finally went back to see it, they must have fired the whole writing staff because it's so much better. Still not amazing but they basically salvaged the best characters in the franchise.

[–] Datas_Cat_Spot@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's so disappointing, but at least I know going into it now.

I feel like a key interview question for a writer/director/etc should be "are you a fan of star trek?" Like, there are a ton of hardcore trek fans out there. Sure some of them are writers and can do the characters justice.

[–] Captain_Ender@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The ego of some showeruners thinking they know best and no one gets them can be staggering. Combine that with negligent execs who only see an IP's $$$ and you get a hellbrew of no one questioning anyone.