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[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I said this to someone else, we need to move forward. Prevention is now impossible without using military force to achieve our goals, which we cannot do, being bound by ethics. We cannot get Modi to cut his emissions, he doesn't particularly like us. And his right-leaning style is very popular in India.

We're onto limiting worsening, mitigation, and maybe someday reversal? We lost prevention though, time to move on.

[–] darq@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You're responding to a point I didn't make. Even mitigation requires the drastic action you are arguing is impossible.

But also, no, y'all don't get to slow-breakup this.

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[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not going to watch a whole youtube video just to pick up on the latest lingo.

No, mitigation does not require "drastic" action, fortunately. We've significantly mitigated it already, concerning our own emissions, and can do so further.

Do you have an idea that might mitigate it overseas, or change domestic politics enough to speed things up here? I don't think nonviolent protest is going to do it, there's not enough of us willing to do so.

[–] darq@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m not going to watch a whole youtube video just to pick up on the latest lingo.

Deny it's happening, then claim we can't change anything once it's happened. The moment where we could do something about it is skipped over.

Like you are doing now.

No, mitigation does not require “drastic” action, fortunately. We’ve significantly mitigated it already, concerning our own emissions, and can do so further.

What world do you live on? Certainly not the one the rest of us do. Our emissions have only been increasing.

Yes we require drastic action. In fact we required drastic action decades ago. Now we require radical action.

Do you have an idea that might mitigate it overseas, or change domestic politics enough to speed things up here?

First and foremost, stop pointing your finger overseas. It is nothing but a distraction, a convenient excuse to not do what needs to be done domestically because "oh but China and India".

Secondly, investment in equipping developing nations with clean energy infrastructure can help.

I don’t think nonviolent protest is going to do it, there’s not enough of us willing to do so.

Ultimately it is going to have to come down to protest.

I am hoping non-violent methods, such as general strikes and direct action will be enough.

But that does require solidarity, motivation, and mutual aid.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Get your facts straight first, otherwise it becomes fully apparent you're really just trying to obfuscate the entire issue.

US emissions over time:

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions

[–] rah@feddit.uk 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

being bound by ethics

Uhhh....

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

That's fair. We try though, just not all of us.