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German state: Citizenship applicants must support Israel (www.dw.com)
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[–] avater@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well the point is, that the whole “support the existence of the country” is very vague. Do I disqualify if I think that the illegal settlers need to ge the fuck out of the Westbank? Of what if I would boycott products procuded in Israel? Does that count as not supporting the existence of the country?". Which borders of what year or which treaty are meant by this? Would Israel consisting of only half of Jerusalem still count?

I think in general this is more aimed at the idiots who sing the "from the river to the sea" and want to get rid of Israel. In the native form of those articles there is no word of "support" you just have to acknowledge Israel its right to exist and dont have to be a racist fuck. So I would say the bar to gain a german citizenship is pretty low ;)

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

The thing is that it can be used against you later to throw you out simply by joining a pro-palestine rally. "Well you marched with people demonstrating wrongthink even though on your application it said you think Israel has legal right to exist, therefore you lied on your application and your right to stay is voided.". It stifles free-speech because it can (and most likely will) be used to target people who criticise Israel even within the two-state paradigm.

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah that would work if that law was designed and will be carried out in good faith. But I don't trust Sachsen-Anhalt of all states to do so!

When you look at the recent history of this state with Nazis, including those in their own police and offices, and how it constantly fails to do even the slightest thing against them I don't trust them that they now suddenly are doing this in good faith. The intent of this law seems to be very clear and the vagueness of it isn't an accident but the important feature of it for it to be applied as broadly as possible.