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[–] letmesleep@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No. Fortunately slavery is outlawed in every single country on earth now. There's still quite a bit of forced labor and exploitation left, but even that usually does not stoop to the level where people are treated as tradable property, so calling it slavery is a stretch. Humanity has come a long way in that regard.

[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Its explicitly allowed in the US if you're a prisoner, by the constitution. We have literal bakery-prisons to this day :) isn't it great

[–] sab@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then take a look at comparative incarceration rates around the world, and ask yourself who these numbers are made up by.

It's pretty clear who is picking the cotton even today.

[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I like how one of the five places that has a higher per capita rate than the US (El Salvador, Cuba, Rwanda, Turkmenistan, American Samoa) is an American territory.

[–] letmesleep@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

isn’t it great

I know. But that still doesn't compare to actual slavery. You can't sell people or subject them to summary execution (yet). It's important to acknowledge how much better than the past today is. Because that shows us how much better than today the future can be if we don't fuck it up.

[–] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sure, except there's estimated 50 million people worldwide currently enslaved. So outlawing this shit hasn't really done that much sadly considering there's now more people enslaved than ever.

[–] letmesleep@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, that is utter nonsense. If you use that definition you had about as many slaves in Europe alone a few centuries ago because almost the entire population would have been slaves.

"Modern slavery" is like an "honorary degree". It has similarities to the real thing, but it isn't the same thing by a long shot. Look at the article: forced marriage, state imposed labor, exploitative employment. That was pretty much just normal if you look at human history. What do you think peasants were?

If we really have reduce the affected population to fifty million, then we have solved 98% of the problem.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

More people, but a MUCH smaller percentage.

[–] letmesleep@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

Not even more people. By the definition used above most of the world's would have consisted of slaves until recently. Sure, most people in history actually were not free by modern standards, but "slaves" means a class of people that was even more deprived of rights.