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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by ajsadauskas@aus.social to c/technology@lemmy.ml

Are agile scrums an outdated idea?

Here's a video on YouTube making the case for why agile was an innovative methodology when it was first introduced 20 years ago.

However, he argues these days, daily scrums are a waste of time, and many organisations would be better off automating their reporting processes, giving teams more autonomy, and letting people get on with their work:

https://youtu.be/KJ5u_Kui1sU?si=M_VLET7v0wCP4gHq

A few of my thoughts.

First, it's worth noting that many organisations that claim to be "agile" aren't, and many that claim to use agile processes don't.

Just as a refresher, here's the key values and principles from the agile manifesto: http://agilemanifesto.org/

  1. Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
  2. Working software over comprehensive documentation
  3. Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
  4. Responding to change over following a plan

* Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer through early and continuous delivery of valuable software.
* Welcome changing requirements, even late in development. Agile processes harness change for the customer's competitive advantage.
* Deliver working software frequently, from a couple of weeks to a couple of months, with a preference to the shorter timescale.
* Business people and developers must work together daily throughout the project.
* Build projects around motivated individuals. Give them the environment and support they need, and trust them to get the job done.
* The most efficient and effective method of conveying information to and within a development team is face-to-face conversation.
* Working software is the primary measure of progress.
* Agile processes promote sustainable development. The sponsors, developers, and users should be able to maintain a constant pace indefinitely.
* Continuous attention to technical excellence and good design enhances agility.
* Simplicity--the art of maximizing the amount of work not done--is essential.
* The best architectures, requirements, and designs emerge from self-organizing teams.
* At regular intervals, the team reflects on how to become more effective, then tunes and adjusts its behavior accordingly.

Your workplace isn't agile if your team is micromanaged from above; if you have a kanban board filled with planning, documentation, and reporting tasks; if your organisation is driven by processes and procedures; if you don't have autonomous cross-functional teams.

Yet in many "agile" organisations, I've noticed that the basic principles of agile are ignored, and what you have is micromanagement through scrums and kanban boards.

And especially outside software development teams, agile tends to just be a hollow buzzword. (I once met a manager at a conference who talked up how agile his business was, and didn't believe me when I said agile was originally a software development methodology — one he revealed he wasn't following the principles of.)

#agile @technology #technology #scrum #tech #Dev

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Stand-up shouldn't be about what was done, it's about what will be done that day and what overlap they may have with others.

It's also the time to communicate changes in priorities, like prod bugs or new input from customers. Usually it's "oh, that's probably my fault, I'll take it," but sometimes it's "let's meet after to discuss it, I'll need people X and Y."

And yes, most of the time it's a waste of time, but sometimes it's really valuable, and it's hard to know in advance. Having the meeting can mean the difference between a prod bug getting fixed that day and not, or a dev wasting a day on a useless project because they missed an email. So we pay that cost to make sure we can catch issues and resolve problems early and quickly.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

a dev wasting a day on a useless project because they missed an email

This all makes sense to me, though I do think this "missed an email" issue really is a problem of unprofessionalism that needs to be resolved. I get that some people just don't like it, but your job includes reading emails, at least from your immediate team members. Alternately, if it was missed because the sender is prone to sending manifestos to the entire team with an important query embedded in paragraph 4, they need to do better. It shouldn't be that email is an unreliable form of communication.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

It's not email specifically, it could be a bunch of different things, like:

  • in person conversation that happened without the dev present
  • slack message chain the dev wasn't watching
  • email where sender forgot to include the dev

It could be a ton of things. The point is that a standup provides a sync point to catch any of those misses. You can and should improve async communication, but mistakes will happen and it's useful to catch those if deadlines matter.

In a FOSS project or similar, it's fine to not have those since timelines are usually more flexible. But in a business, it's usually worth a little inefficiency if it means more predictability.

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