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How is it treasonous to cut support for a foreign country, exactly?
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Russia is Ukraine's enemy not yours, unless you ascribe to seeing this as a proxy war. That's like saying pulling out of Afghanistan was treason because it concedes to Taliban's victory.
Bro Russia media and politicians are constantly talking about nuking my country. And Russia has attacked it with both cyber attacks and information warfare over and over.
But you knew that already, considering you probably consider yourself well informed.
Care to provide a source to all those nuke threats or should I roam the informational warzone on my own? And also explain how that would be one-sided Russian aggression rather than escalation between two great power as has been tradition for 70 years now? Even if what you say is true, mere threats of warfare don't equate to training terrorists and backing Al-Qaeda, which the Taliban is known to have done. Those were literally United Stadia's enemies, one of which even did a successful attack on USA soil that killed 3 thousand, as you'll never forget. If not financing a foreign country's war with Russia is treason, then everybody (in and out of government) who advocated for pulling out of Afghanistan should be tried first. Obviously I don't believe that either of those actually are treason, just pointing out how nonsensical this notion is.
"Cyber attacks" and "information warfare" are just hyperbolic terms for things every non-allied powerful country engages in. Even allies like the USA and EU spy on each other.
So you are just admitting to being uninformed. Excellent.
So you admitted your sources are made of thin air. Excellent. Back your claims buddy, I never claimed to know every single thing every European does to themselves. What is your opinion on the FRG9, Sir Knowsalot?
There are tons of videos of Russian media unironically calling to nuke Europe. They even released CGI videos of New York being nuked. I can't follow the news for you buddy.
links or sources? "There are tons of videos of" Obama playing Fortnite with Trump. This is a forum about news discussions so if you're expecting anybody to come here and not ask for news and sources backing your claims and to trust what you say blindly, you might be a bit lost.
Crazy how you seem to get two instant votes here
No idea about that either, maybe I have a fan. I don't see how a single meaningless upvote is that important though. But it's also crazy how you insist on replying within minutes without backing your claims. Have you anything to say that is not just hearsay?
I can't read for you, sealion. Try Google, if it isn't blocked in your country.
Oh, so you get to claim whatever on a news forum, but then when pressed I'm the one who actually has to find out what exactly you're even talking about? And in case I can't read your mind, I'm the sealion? How would I even know what events exactly you're even trying to mysteriously hint at? Come now, if you don't wish to show me wrong or inform literally anybody beyond vague hearsay what exactly even is the point of you posting here? This ain't Reddit mate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Don't play dumb
But sure. Let's see how fast those goalposts move.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-tv-jokes-nuclear-missiles-london-putin-propaganda-ukraine-war-rcna28067
I know what sealioning is. However the effort you took to fetch that bookmarked Wikipedia page you could've used to provide me some source for your nuclear threat claims for us to discuss and analyse properly as is typical of a news forum. Given that I'm actually putting a bit of time and effort to reply to you and that the point of this forum is to inform, assuming everybody who comes here has access to every information about whatever remote country you may live on and what specific threats you are referring to is just a waste of bandwidth and account and you might as well just remove yourself from here.
For instance, those threats could've come right after similar threats from your random country in which case it would be escalation (and you'd link me to the wikipedia article of Whataboutism rather than whatever source you find actually interesting, as you people like to do). I have no way of knowing what "constant" threats you are talking about because tensions between some American countries and Russia have been ongoing for more than 10 years now. So far you have made a very strong unsourced claim and then proceeded to waste this comment section by assuming random shit about me. If you don't have anything of substance to say, go back to Reddit to updoot your narwhals in silence.
Edit: fucking finally you provided it, too bad it was on an unmarked edit. Either way I'm not sure I'd consider something from the height of the war a whole year ago "constant", and the threat is being made by a TV show. In their own words "Moscow says it went into Ukraine as a pre-emptive strike against NATO, as Ukraine was seeking nuclear weapons.", so it would still fall into an escalation rather than a blanket threat. Typical thing done by opposing Nuclear Powers since nuclear bombs were invented.
If you live in the US or western Europe, nuking your country is based.
So you unironically support the mass murder of people who disagree with you? Is that correct?
What a great forum this is. Where tankie trolls operate with impunity, but being mean to them is not allowed.
You do realise you haven't been banned yet, right? You are still allowed here as far as I know, but you'll have to contend with the fact that spez isn't here to protect you.
What a great forum this is. Where people I disagree with can express their opinions with impunity, but personally attacking them is not allowed.
Personal attacks ("being mean", to euphemize) are not constructive. And most people consider the ability to express dissenting opinions a good thing.
Constructive like memes about nuking innocent people?
Edit - allegedly a different user way down in the comment chain of a sparsely populated forum defending nuking innocent civilians
You realize Lemmy shows the usernames of people right above the comment, right? It helps to not get people confused before you accuse them of doing something they didn't do.
Please tell me precisely where I posted any memes, much less "memes about nuking innocent people".
It’s not the same as supporting pulling out of Afghanistan because Taliban is no threat to the US.
Russia is a global threat with its disinformation, blackmail and bribery campaigns that interfere with US and global politics. That makes it much more of a threat to the US than the Taliban.
(Still not treason though as the threat is not direct)
Edit: someone down thread says that selling votes to foreign governments is treason in the US. Sounds reasonable but I don’t know.
You're going to have to provide some source as to how much more threatening Russia is to the USA compared to Taliban, since the USA explicitly fought a war "of self defence" against those ones. Conceding defeat in a war on foreign land being considered "high treason" because you don't like it would make most freedomnian military adventures since the 60s very dubyous as well. Russia doing whatever it is you think they're doing still doesn't make them your explicit enemy until you actually declare on war on them, which even the most hawkish Democrat will caution against.
Virgin literal terrorist training Vs Chad news website and "bribery"
I doubt that is true and you shouldn't trust hearsay on the internet, but if that's the case then your whole lobbying industry should treasonous as well. You can go read the law to see that is not the case, but you'd have to be very naïve to think such law could even be applied properly in the USA anyways. Pre-empting your knee-jerk response, "giving them aid" does not apply to "stopping the giving of aid to the enemies of our enemies".
Tbf, Russia definitely threatens the hegemony of the empire of lies more than taliban did.
I guess the issue is that Unitedstadians conflate "aMeRiCa" the country with themselves as citizens. Russia is definitely a much bigger threat to USA global hegemony than any Middle Eastern nation ever was, but some dudes in Afghanistan really did admit to killing a bunch of civilian Stadians that one time. There are probably individual cops in the USAAA with more civilian Stadian blood on their hands than the entire Russian Federation, but usually those victims are considered Others like Latino, African or Indian (both types).
Edit: Removed incorrect implication.