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[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Bullshit. You can get out there and VOTE. You can also get everyone else you know to do the same

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Everyone I know? I know a few trumpers. I do vote but as I said we can't change dumpster supporters minds.

[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Don't give up. I also work on the ones that are just vote-apathetic.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 11 months ago

They are unreachable. Ignore them. It's the few remaining honest-to-god swing voters that we need to reach and convince.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

America can probably dodge fascists for a while yet but wealthy neoliberals have spent millions of hours and billions of dollars trying to ensure that anyone who might genuinely fix things never has the power to do so.

There's the giant media companies looking to maximise their profits through manipulation and cronyism, rather than anything resembling actual journalism.

The legal system that's reluctant to investigate, prosecute or punish corporations and the ultra wealthy at the head of them, but enthusiastic about throwing poor people in for profit prisons.

Tech companies that will platform any reprehensible views in exchange for a few dollars of ad impressions, pumping their users for pennies with an elaborate emotional slot machine.

Then of course the open political corruption. Gerrymandering, insider trading, disenfranchised voters, voting machines with no paper trail and a deeply flawed election system where any vote that isn't for one of the two neoliberal parties is functionally thrown in the bin.

When we can't stand it any more, we're fed bullshit non-solutions instead, written and published by the problems themselves and designed to make them even richer.

"The free market will fix it. Buying more guns will fix it. Electing a man with the communication skills and emotional regulation of a toddler will fix it. Murdering people based on the amount of melanin in their body will fix it".

Each one has already been tried and each one has failed to even dent the issue, because if they had any chance of succeeding then they would have banded together to undermine them in a bipartisan act of class solidarity.

And fuck, that's just the politics. The same insatiably greedy, neoliberal trash is also responsible for the impending climate breakdown, endless wars and unprecedented levels of unemoloyment and homelessness because no matter how much we give them, they just can't say "no" to profits.

We need to vote, but we also need so much more than voting. We need the entire world to unite in protest, demanding their governments either acknowledge the rights, freedoms and entitlements of every person on the planet, or be held accountable when they don't.

So it's not hard to see why people might get disillusioned when "maybe if we abuse minorities more, we'll be able to own homes again" still seems to be an idea people want to explore.

[–] Promethiel@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You are—tragically—100% percent correct in my opinion. That is as I also see, the reality we live in. The shortsighted Neoliberal imbéciles would choke to death on a dollar if they had to eat their way to a penny.

However.

Even though things will, to heavily understate, suck, I'd urge you to not fully give in to despair. Last time Fascism rose, it bit them in the ass and they backed the other horse eventually.

I am not looking forward to dodging (or liquidating) brown shirts and Nazis, so if we can avoid that and just be poised for when climate catastrophe puts on the knife-edge of "this has never happened before" that would be great.

Those with thoughts like yours will be needed. The Resistance will need leaders and scholars to delineate the purpose.

Reality sucks and we shouldn't have to fight for it because of thousands of greedy piggies, but it's manifesting and we'll have to decide.

We need to vote. We should all vote. Then start working on what we need beyond that in what little steps we all can. The literal morning after the election, preferably.

[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

this is just not realistic to the situation of the average non-brainwashed american