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[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

The constant need for growth really bothers me. I live in a rural area. People move here because it's natural and quiet and cost of living is low. Then they complain that there is no Target and no Chik Fila and not enough jobs. The board of supervisors is full of developers. Once they finish building out the county we will be just like every other suburban hell.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not just the constant need for that sort of growth. In our late-stage capitalist society, companies are expected to make more profit than last year every single year. As if that is somehow sustainable.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Exactly, that is a ridiculous, anti-consumer and anti-environment standard.

[–] diffcalculus@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Apple has made record profits of $X billion dollars this quarter. However, that is only $3 billion more than last year same quarter.

You're right, Greg. One has to wonder: will Apple be bankrupt next year?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

Working for a Fortune 500 and hearing executives talk is surreal. They straight up say things like "if you're not growing, you're failing". No thought at all as to how that's supposed to work in the long run. The post-pandemic surge in profits doesn't help; companies that usually don't get 15-20% profit margins suddenly saw that, and the expectation of shareholders is that they can keep doing that forever. That's insane.

Conversely, I'm also active in my local makerspace. We've grown massively in less than 10 years, and deliberately stopped taking new members for a few months because our volunteers were getting burned out. When we reopened, we kept the new member signups intentionally limited so certain areas (woodshop, mainly) would be able to absorb turnover without driving the trainers too hard. We still have net growth, but way slower than we were before. We're far from failing, and the MBAs running Fortune 500s can go fuck themselves.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

And then they will leave for a more idyllic life in the country because it's so noisy.

I'm pretty sure the large open field behind my house, which used to be full of trees, is going to be turned into another gated neighborhood full of cookie cutter houses. And I just know someone is going to be close to my back yard, and they are going to whine about my wife's chickens, especially since one of them is a rooster.

So they will piss and moan and try to make us get rid of the rooster. And then they will probably get a small dog that yaps all night.

[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pasco County Florida by any chance?

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

No, not FL. Judging by driving around the US it's happening all over. Walmarts and apartments and McDonalds everywhere you go. Many are fairly new and right next to rural land. No sidewalks or public transportation, just sprawl into rural areas.

[–] ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

The constant need for growth won't go away. As long as the population grows, economic output needs to grow. All those people need food, shelter, clothing, entertainment, random crap, work, etc.

Yes, in the Western World a lot of it is a distribution problem, but even if we solved that you still can't expect the rest of the world to just settle for lower standards of living than Europe and North America. They won't. And they shouldn't.