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President Biden on Thursday asked Congress to approve $20.6 billion in additional funding for Ukraine, as that country’s military struggles to achieve a decisive victory in its counteroffensive against Russia.

In a letter to lawmakers, the White House Office of Management and Budget asked for $13 billion in new military aid and $8.5 billion in additional economic, humanitarian and security assistance for Ukraine and other countries affected by the war. The White House also is seeking more than $12 billion for disaster relief and other emergency domestic funds, including hurricanes, as well as tens of millions of dollars to boost pay for firefighters on the front lines of the wildfires that have hit many parts of the country. In total, Biden is asking Congress for about $40 billion in new spending.

The funding tied to the war in Ukraine — now nearing its 18th month — is likely to prove the most controversial item. The United States has already directed more than $60 billion in aid to Ukraine, including more than $40 billion in direct military assistance. That is more than any other country. Biden has vowed that the U.S. government will support Ukraine “as long as it takes,” but Western allies face difficult questions about the state of the war effort, with Ukrainian forces bogged down the east despite new Western weapons and training. “The administration is requesting supplemental security, economic, and humanitarian assistance funding that would support Ukraine, as well as countries and vulnerable properties worldwide impacted by Russia’s unprovoked and brutal invasion of Ukraine,” Shalanda D. Young, the White House budget director, said in the request. Senate leaders of both parties are expected to support the president’s request. Scores of far-right members in the House of Representatives have made clear that they would oppose any new funding to Ukraine, but a large majority of Republicans still want to ensure that some money is sent to aid Ukraine and NATO allies, particularly ahead of a blistering winter that could slow the counteroffensive even more. “What you hear from lawmakers is: Yeah, we should support this. But there are some already saying ‘no,’ and some saying, ‘This can’t go on forever,’ which is a reflection of the American public,” said Doug Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum, a center-right think tank.

Ukraine’s government faces a budget deficit of about $40 billion for this year, but that is likely to be mostly covered by aid from Europe, the United States and other organizations such as the International Monetary Fund, according to Oleg Ustenko, an economic adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. But that does not resolve what the Ukrainians will do to make up the deficit next year, should the war continue. And tens of billions of dollars in damages to critical infrastructure has gone unrepaired, including for Ukraine’s electrical grid and hospitals. The World Bank has estimated rebuilding Ukraine after the war could cost as much as $350 billion. “There’s still a question mark of what the state of our economy will be next year. If the situation is more or less on the same level as now, we could be required again to need the same budgetary and financial support,” Ustenko said.

Beyond the immediate deficit, Ukraine’s government has an estimated $750 billion in direct economic costs from the war, which could be as high as $1 trillion if indirect costs are added. Ustenko added that Western allies should start transferring billions in frozen assets from Russia’s central bank to Ukraine. Some experts have raised questions about the legality of such a maneuver. “This money should not just be coming from our allies,” Ustenko said. “This money should be coming from the frozen assets of Russia. They have to compensate us. Kremlin is fully responsible for all damage. Therefore even from the point of view of justice, that is very important.” New Russian attacks on Ukraine’s grain exports are compounding the economic challenges. Moscow’s forces have attacked grain storage facilities in July and August, following Russia’s decision to terminate a deal that allowed Ukraine to export grain by sea during wartime. Grain is one of the major Ukrainian exports and a key source of revenue for its government, said Simon Johnson, a professor at MIT who has studied the economic impact of the country’s grain industry. “Putin is playing at the levels of billions of dollars, all trying to convince the West it’s not worth their while to stay with the Ukrainians long enough to evict the Russians from Ukraine,” Johnson said.

It is unclear how the House will handle the Ukraine funding request. The GOP-controlled chamber is already bracing for a major fight over government spending when Congress returns in September, as far-right members continue to push for significant budget cuts. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) vowed in June that he would not support any supplemental funding, saying aid for Ukraine should go through the regular appropriations process. Asking to tack on Ukraine funding to a must-pass funding bill would likely only inflame the House Freedom Caucus and its allies further — and they’ve already expressed willingness to shut down the government in pursuit of spending cuts. Republicans can only lose four lawmakers within their ranks to pass legislation through their slim majority without Democrats’ help. Two people familiar with the current thinking among Republican members of the Appropriations Committee, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss legislative strategy, believe the supplemental request would best be tacked onto another must-pass item: the yearly flood insurance reauthorization program, which could put pressure on Republicans to go along with it rather than deny aid to states affected by disasters this summer.

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[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine being a country with so much money then when the old enemy invades a future allied country and starts killing civilians you don't want to give aid to help innocents.

It's not like America couldn't pay for something like free healthcare and send vital aid to a country in need. They easily could, it's not one or the other. It's not like there was healthcare before the war.

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

enemy invades a future allied country and starts killing civilians

Ukraine has deliberately been killing civilians since 2014, I'm so tired of this dumbass narrative.

[–] NoGodsNoMasters@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The question to ask yourself is if this is really helping innocents. Is it really helping innocents to sent the weapons that will be used to kill more civilians, that will prolong the war and multiply its damages, that will subject tens, even hundreds of thousands more conscripts to the horrors of trench warfare?

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's up the the Ukrainian people.

When an aggressor comes to them starts capturing their land, property, destroying their families and committing genocide. Should we send them support to defend themselves. Absolutely for the good of humanity. People will die yes, the Ukrainians understand that I they have clearly chosen that they would rather deaths than be subjected by the russian again.

Otherwise what's to stop countries commuting horrific crimes unopposed?

[–] Farman@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The ukranian people have been held hostage by the us for a while now.

[–] YaaAsantewaa@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This all started because Shitkraine wanted to ban Russian from being taught in schools, which is discrimination, so the people fought back. This is Ukraines fault

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Absolute lol. The president's first language is Russian.

But making a country speak it's own language in schools instead of an occupiers language is absolute no reason for war and genocide.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

please study these two maps ? do People with Rights live in both parts of Ukraine or is one part subhuman ?

EDit: Forgot the Article , Duuuh.. - On Ukraine’s De-Russification Policies -

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Nobody was occupying anything when the fascists couped the Ukrainian government and started discriminating against Russian-speakers.

[–] notceps@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

'Occupiers' language, lol

I'm swiss, around 30% of the swiss population speaks french mostly, if the german speaking part of switzerland voted to ban italian or french or rumansh from being spoken and discriminated against them would they fight back against italian occupiers in ticino? How about those dastardly roman occupiers in Grisons, or the french occupiers in the romandie would switzerland be justified in killing off 35% of its population to 'decolonize'?

The Ukranian government decided that 30% of their own population was foreign and would no long have any rights, they aren't settlers they aren't occupiers because a ton of them have been there for generations because nations and nationalism is an incredibly new concept and as a result a ton of nations that aren't psychotic have all kinds of ethnicities in them. Your thinking literally leads to the kind of shit that went down in Yugoslavia log off.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if you view the invasion as a terrible and unjust thing, calling it genocide is ridiculous.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

also it absolutly devalues actuall genocide , it is such a primitiv act in has to be pointed out , what a moronic and selfdefeating claim...

its just tells everybody about you , how you willfully hystericlly and mad you run with the Mob ... it marks you as a deeply unserious person. But its functionally understanable , if you grow up beeing bathed 24/7 in this cartoonworld , yo know , where all your "You have shittalk license go wild " Offical Enemy (China , Iran , Rusia , Muslims ) "longs for the System that imprisions the most , kills the most , invades the most and Preaches the Most about the proper way to live while keeping its citizens less valued then Medicine and dying on the streets.... if you have a Audience like that , WAR just dont cut it no more it must be GENOCIDE ! , Soon Genocide 3000 ! while 2022 - Today is most "Certainly" a Genocide , i presume this here is not "Genocide". what says the Hysteria Algortim of yours ?