this post was submitted on 24 Dec 2023
243 points (81.9% liked)

World News

39011 readers
2777 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gaza doesn’t have the resources? Throughout last 18 years, billions were put into Gaza and Israel even allowed it. Shared net worth of Hamas leaders is around 11 billion.

Do you understand the meaning of a blockade? Money is meaningless if you can't use it to buy things.

The security measures by Israel are actually fully valid.

Israel is explicitly and intentionally keeping the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse, by their own words. This is a humanitarian disaster before you even get into the specifics of how they've rejected peace over the years.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This theory falls apart immediately when you realize the money is being spent in Gaza on tunnels and on bombs. If truly everything was blocked as you say, they wouldn't have the tunnels and the bombs.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not everything is blocked. But enough is blocked that people simply can't have a decent life. This is also part of why they have the tunnels; there's simply no way to live with what little Israel allows (remember when they calculated the calories necessary so Gazans don't starve to death, and found they're letting in less than that?). It simply happens to be that bombs can still be made using things they do allow.

Again, Israel has specifically stated they're intentionally keeping the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't make sense. Once they have enough money to build bombs and vast networks of underground tunnels, it’s definitely Hamas's decision. Instead of building shelters and farms they decided to use the money for tunnels and bombs. If I have 100k dollars and decide to buy a luxury SUV and then I starve, it’s not a fault of my neighbor that I did so.

Furthermore, Izrael does not even have a full control of Gaza. They left the place in 2005 and Gaza has a border with Egypt. So even if Israel decided that nothing can get to gaza, stuff can arrive in via Egypt and Israel would not be able to do anything.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

I can only assume you're being willfully obtuse, so I'll end the conversation with this.

The Israeli blockade limits quantities of things allowed to enter Gaza, but it also limits the kinds of things allowed to enter Gaza? No matter how much money you have Israel won't allow you to get a car into Gaza, for instance.

If it was just a problem of money Gaza wouldn't be in this state, because Gaza isn't naturally one of the most impoverished regions in the world. They had an actual economy before 2005 when Israel just cut off all their exports. Stop treating the Israeli blockade as a natural disaster.