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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They didn't just use pitbulls, they specifically bred pitbulls to fight and never give up. It's deep in their brain.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Deep in their brain" is that a science term. I kid. I would like to know the science behind it, though.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

This is correct. My argument isn't just that they top the lists... it's ALSO that the damage they do is much higher than any other breed as well. These concepts are inextricably linked.

When a pomeranian bites you, it's whatever... bleeds a little bit, you put a bandaid on it later, but punt the fucker now. If a pitbull bites you... You might be missing part of your fucking leg. Try punting a pitbull...

We have more known attacks that are pitbulls simply because the damage they do is so fucking much more that it can't just be handled in private. It's actually probably 100% probably that pitbulls on average strictly bite at the same rates as other dogs... But the sheer amount of damage done by pitbulls means those bites = more deaths and hospitalizations. I've never once claimed that pitbulls bite more or less than any other breed, simply that they cause more casualties (and often specify deaths).

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is correct. My argument isn't just that they top the lists... it's ALSO that the damage they do is much higher than any other breed as well. These concepts are inextricably linked.

This is called gameness and the trait is not inextricable for pit bull breeds. It was bred into them through selection, not too dissimilar to how those stubby faced breeds were bred to be that way (e.g. pugs).

If pit bull breeds were selectively bred to reduce/remove that trait it would change things. It’s almost like the root problem isn’t the dogs but the people and breeding practices.

[–] yuriy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pits already are selectively bred to reduce/remove that trait. The only person who wants a pit suited for fighting is the exact person who should never own a dog anyways. Since there’s literally NO benefit to the trait, obviously breeders jump through a lot of hoops to not sell aggressive murder dogs.

People who casually imply that every pitbull is a fucking monster are so woefully illinformed, and usually completely unwilling to consider they don’t know all the facts.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

People who casually imply that every pitbull is a fucking monster are so woefully illinformed, and usually completely unwilling to consider they don’t know all the facts.

If this was directed at me I wasn’t implying every pit bull breed type is a monster.

Certified, professional breeders might be breeding out the gameness but the backyard breeders and the accidental breeders aren’t.

The number of pit and pit mixes in shelters aren’t coming from professional breeders or their dogs. Our second adopted dog is a mutt but dominant breeds are Border Collie and Am. Pit Bull Terrier. We’ve got her pretty well trained now, but if another dog comes snapping and biting at her I have to jump in to get a hold of her because she’s still got enough game in her that, if provoked, she goes hard in the paint.

I will always believe that pit type breeds are not for inexperienced or lazy dog owners. They need work, structure and training consistently.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

This is key, it's like they are bigger than they appear. We inherited one. Sweet nature, good with the cats, but weighs the same as the bigger dog in the household and strong as fuck.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s actually probably 100% probably that pitbulls on average strictly bite at the same rates as other dogs…

I'm sorry, but this is a probably 100% probably on average strictly convincing sentence you've got, there.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 3 points 10 months ago

Oh man... I said "probably" rather than "probable"! I better go get the noose and hang myself cause @daltotron can't understand what a typo is!

[–] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes, owner surveys over tens of thousands of individuals regardless of breed meaning no implicit bias. The survey finds the same result across all breeds, the survey isn't specific to pits.

You really thought you did something there didn't you? Please learn to trust science over inflammatory media

Like if everyone claimed they had a perfect puppy, your critique would hold water, but flaws were reported across all breeds...