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Just because Republicans choose unreality doesn’t mean the media should ignore the facts of January 6.

On January 6, 2021, I watched CNN as thousands of Donald Trump supporters stormed the US Capitol. As someone well-versed in watching tragedy on television, I was struck by just how indisputable the facts were at the time: violent, red-hat-clad MAGA rioters, followed by Republicans in Congress, tried to stop democracy in its tracks. Trump had told his followers that the protest in Washington, DC, “will be wild,” and in the assault that followed his speech, some rioters smeared feces on the walls of the Capitol. Hundreds of them have since been convicted on charges ranging from assault on federal officers to seditious conspiracy. These are stubborn facts, the kind that do not care about your feelings. These facts include the inalienable truth that Trump is the first president in American history to reject the peaceful transfer of power.

It never occurred to me that these facts could somehow be perverted by partisanship. But three years later, we are seeing just that, as Republicans cling to the lie that the 2020 election was “stolen” by Joe Biden and are poised to make Trump their 2024 nominee. And perhaps even more dangerous than the GOP ditching reality is the news media’s inability to cover Trumpism as the threat to democracy that it very much is.

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But the problem is, when all you have is conventional political framing, everything looks like politics as usual. One candidate makes a claim; the other disputes it. Two sides are divided, etc. This framing only works if both parties operate within the frameworks of a shared reality. But Trumpism doesn’t allow for the reality the rest of us inhabit. Trump’s supporters believe their leader’s reality and not, say, the reality the rest of us see with our eyes. As Trump once told a crowd: “Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”

Journalists may be well-intentioned in trying to be “objective,” or they’re simply afraid of being labeled partisan. Either way, coverage of January 6 that gives equal weight to both sides—one based in reality, one not—is helping pave the road for authoritarianism.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (26 children)

Try telling this to the “gEnOciDE jOe” clowns, because they are the ones that need to understand this- not the trumpers. Trumpers are too far gone. They won’t listen to reason.

But these ‘single issue’ kids that are grassrooting the ideology that not voting is better than a vote for “genocide” are going to fuck around and find out the hard way when they get Trump installed as a permanent fixture in the White House.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 50 points 10 months ago (25 children)

Ok, let me preface this by OF COURSE Biden is by far the lesser evil compared to Trump, OF COURSE single issue voting is some Republican style bullshit and OF COURSE Trump would be even more supportive of a fascist government committing genocide, being a fascist war crime fanboy himself.

That being said, people who are outraged by Biden's continued support of and thus enabling of genocide DO have a point. He's supposed to represent the interests of every American who's not a fascist, not those of a fascist apartheid regime currently committing the worst genocide since the Balkan wars in the 90s.

Just because the other guy is a much greater evil doesn't mean that you can't hold your own guy accountable for supporting evil. With Trump the only alternative, voting for him is a given, but giving him a free pass shouldn't be.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Uh, what we are talking about is people who are already saying they won't vote for Biden. I run into this a lot. It's terrifying to know a significant part of the electorate are so myopic they would install Trump forever to "make a point".

It truly doesn't matter if they have a point, if the only end result is not voting or throwing their vote away on a third party. If Trump wins, they will be a big part of how.

[–] TheAlbacor@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"voting is the only way to create change" is the mentality that got us here.

You know why George Floyd's murderer was the only one who got the sentence he deserved? Because the people demanded it by threatening capital.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (46 children)
[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 3 points 10 months ago

You know exactly what he's suggesting and he's probably right to do so.

Stop playing stupid and stop trying to shut down people who say such things. It's not gonna work, you're not gonna convince anyone to not fight for what they believe in, hit the road if you don't like it.

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[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s terrifying to know a significant part of the electorate are so myopic they would install Trump forever to “make a point”.

People don't like being manipulated to vote a certain way, they get angry when that is done to them. They realize that other citizens had died for their right to vote, and they hold it sacred.

And when you're angry, you tend to make dumb mistakes.

How many of us know the stance of the people they're going to vote for, when it comes to ranked choice voting?

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As long as we are drawing the line in the sand as "reality" the truth is much more stark. We already live in a nation controlled by oligarchs and the vote has already been robbed of what little power it ever had. In a sense accelerationism isn't so much accelerating the decline of US democracy but accelerating its suspended funeral.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Criticizing Biden's handling of the war is not just allowed, but encouraged. His handling of it is dog shit.

What's naive and stupid to do is refuse to vote for him because of it, when the threat is a person who bragged about becoming a dictator and retaliating against anyone he dislikes.

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[–] Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

can’t hold your own guy accountable for supporting evil.

How? The DNC doesn't listen to us, writing our reps is basically a waste of time and paper unless you like collecting robosigned form letter replies from political offices.

Fuck trump in every way and if there is any justice left in this world cheetolini will rot in a cell for the rest of his life, to be clear.

That said, we have 40 years of congressional voting patterns that PROVE they only listen to 'the people' about 20% of the time.

So how? How do we hold him accountable? By making meme posts and tiktoks?

Yes I am MUCH happier that Biden won and I will be voting for him again, but let's not pretend we aren't in an oligarchy controlled by wealthy families.

Yes the Dems do a bit better of a job helping the citizens, but not nearly enough and not in the ways needed most.

We NEED to get rid of first past the post voting, we NEED to get money out of politics.

Until that happens, we will ALWAYS be stuck choosing the lesser evil and our wealth will continue to be shuffled up to the already disgustingly rich.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know how the US could change it's voting system. It's so carved into the national identity with the constitution. It's a big change. I see us in the UK more likely to change our voting system before the US.

[–] Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Maine is already switched to Ranked Choice voting. I agree its a big change, but if you had told me 20 years ago that I could legally buy weed in a boutique store in New York City someday, I'd have told you basically the same thing.

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago

writing our reps is basically a waste of time and paper unless you like collecting robosigned form letter replies from political offices.

It's actually not, they track it. It's important to know voter sentiment so the competent members of Congress actually keep track of the issues people write about and their positions on them. In terns of response, I'm not sure if you know how many people an average Congressmember has and how much mail they get, but if everyone including the Congressmember spent all day individually responding to every letter they got (most of which are form complaints), they would get even less done. The form response is (again, if the member is at all competent) usually slightly modified from a form response because, frankly, why would you have a different response to the same question every time? The response reads all political because it has to, they're writing for a broad audience and they don't know you.

They probably are listening to the people who write them, who tend to skew older and have more time on their hands to do so, so are likely more conservative or status quo. There are issues the Dems will shift on if they see that's where the wind is blowing. Also, if you have a specific local issue, don't write to DC, write to the local office. They actually have people dedicated to helping with state and local concerns.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep. If donnie gets back in there, do these purity ponies think unquestioning support of Israel will stop?

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