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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 59 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Columbia Engineering senior Aniv Ray and Ph.D. student Judah Goldfeder, who helped analyze the data, noted that their results are just the beginning. "Just imagine how well this will perform once it's trained on millions instead of thousands of fingerprints," said Ray.

Or we're going to find out fingerprint analysis was junk science, just like hair analysis.

We'll still use it to convict people though.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/how-the-junk-science-of-hair-analysis-keeps-people-behind-bars/

Basically, hair doesn't have enough unique characteristics to identify a person and your hair changes all the time depending on diet, age, sun exposure, etc. Lots of shit we use is unreliable: blood-spatter patterns, arson analysis, bite-mark comparisons, and now finger prints!

[–] lemming@sh.itjust.works 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Have you read the link? It doesn't say thay that analysing figerprints is less powerfull than was known, but more. It describes previously unknown connection between fingerprints of different fingers of a single person. This could indicate, for example, that two crimes were probably commited by the same person even when not a single identical fingerprint was found on both sites.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Seems like pretty flimsy evidence if all we have to go off of is an AI that only gets it right 80% of the time... I highly doubt you could show the 2 fingerprints to anyone else to verify visually, and we're just supposed to trust it?

[–] lemming@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

Well, it wouldn't be good evidence on its own at court, but can very well nudge an investigation in a right direction. And anyway, it's a first step, done with little resources and ablimited dataset for training. And at least for me, it'sbthe first time I hear something like this is possible at all. Others said that tools to the same effect were around for quite a while, but I haven't seen anyone providing sources, especially some that would give quantification of its capabilites.

[–] WeeSheep@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

There has been no science to back up fingerprints being unique enough to determine identity by. I'm not sure "going to find out" is quite the same as "has never been proven to be true."