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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said the reelection of former President Trump would be the “end of democracy” in an interview released Saturday by The Guardian.

“It will be the end of democracy, functional democracy,” Sanders said in the interview.

The Vermont senator also said in the interview that he thinks that another round of Trump as the president will be a lot more extreme than the first.

“He’s made that clear,” Sanders said. “There’s a lot of personal bitterness, he’s a bitter man, having gone through four indictments, humiliated, he’s going to take it out on his enemies. We’ve got to explain to the American people what that means to them — what the collapse of American democracy will mean to all of us.”

Sanders’s words echo those President Biden made in a recent campaign speech during which he said that Trump’s return to the presidency would risk American democracy. The president highlighted the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol in an attempt to cement a point about Trump and other Republicans espousing a kind of extremism that was seen by the world on that day.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 138 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He's right. Of course, this won't stop "BOTH SIDES" fans, who want fascism in America more than anything else in the world.

[–] Poayjay@lemmy.world 85 points 10 months ago (12 children)

They are moving away from “Both Sides” and starting “Biden supports genocide.” It’s just a new way for below average people to think they’re smarter than everyone else.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 72 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Biden does support Genocide, in this particular instance. Giving him hell for it and trying to do what people can in order to save all the innocent people getting bombed and shot right now, is fine.

Trump is still infinitely worse. If you think 20,000 dead Gazans is bad, wait until you see what Trump wants to do. Last time around, he fucked up the response to a global crisis that's currently killed over a million Americans, and that was without even trying; and without any of the vengeful things he's itching to do this time around if he gets in.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yes, I think the main issue is (sadly), I don't think we have an option that actually wants to stop the genocide. It would likely need to be handled by something other than elections, like larger protests.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 17 points 10 months ago

America and Israel are joined at the hip. Anything less than unconditional military support is not a political position conducive to getting elected, there is intense lobbyism going on to make sure of that. Then there is also the evangelical angle that the jews must control Israel for the rapture to come, so they don’t give two shits about genocide.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 points 10 months ago

Yeah. I saw the stories about protests around the world and felt guilty that I wasn't in them.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (40 children)

The salient point here that so many people are missing is that allowing Trump to be elected because of some misguided ideological purity will absolutely do nothing to protect or liberate the Palestinian people, so why even pretend to care about that, if you aren't a right wing troll? Allowing far right demagogues to usurp control of western nations will, in fact, cause untold suffering of billions. Palestinians included.

If you are an actual leftist, then it is your duty to consider this moral liability, and soak in the discomfort of the situation with the rest of us. Ideological purity does not cleanse you from this, not matter how much you wish that.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

It’s my belief that the “gEnOciDe jOe” was started by full-on MAGA trolls. It’s the_Donald all over again. Started as a troll by MAGA, ended up being believed by the far left.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (141 children)

The "Genocide Joe" shit is so obviously right wing astroturfing I legitimately cannot read it without imagining trump sitting at a computer typing with his index fingers.

To be very clear - there are some very big issues with the military support of Israel which should discussed out in the open. But doing the Trump name calling thing isn't engaging in good faith. It's obvious trolling.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"I have serious objections to American foreign policy not being aggressive enough against genocide even when committed by geopolitical allies."

"Let me take the exact course of action that will put power into the hands that gave the particular genocidal state I'm ostensibly so upset with at this moment the Golan Heights, West Jerusalem, and significant chunks of the West Bank."

"I am a very smart person!"

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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Whoa people are mad that their president is funding a genocide?? :0

Smh they should just stfu and vote. Who cares about foreigners dying

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[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy needs to fricking understand that saying ‘Biden supports genocide’ IS NOT the same as ‘vote for Trump’, if he is committing an atrocity, he is gonna get called out by any sane person, I agree Trump is infinitely worse, but that doesn’t make Biden good, the American electoral system needs a reform but until then, you have to keep electing the lesser evil, but it isn’t equal to good

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy needs to fricking understand that saying ‘Biden supports genocide’ IS NOT the same as ‘vote for Trump’

Lemmy's centrists already understand this. But since they can't defend support for genocide because it's indefensible, they have to attack the person saying it with the standard litany of false assumptions, wild accusations, condescension, gaslighting and overt abuse.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

That’s what bugs me the most, instead of saying that ‘biden sucks, but we have no other option’, they are saying ‘You are dumb/Astroturfing and whatever’ Biden is a piece of shit and I am gonna say it, but that doesn’t make me a Fascist

VOTE FOR BIDEN, just to be on the safe side

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[–] butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Those forkfaces wouldn't know a good-faith argument if it drugged and molested them at a GOP fundraiser.