I love this for some reason. Maybe it's having to deal with sovereign citizens in the past. I always just wanted to say "you never agreed to be part of our society so you don't want to follow our rules - OK but why are you here? Why do you use our roads, buy things in our shops, use our cell phone towers? No one will make you pay tax if you go into the bush and live self sufficiently on your own, if you stay away from the society that you don't want to be a part of then no one will force anything on you, they won't even know you're there!"

I particularly liked the sovereign citizens protesting outside the DIA. "We don't recognize your right to issue birth certificates, but for some reason it's also really important to us that you don't let people change their sex on their birth certificate. Also please issue me a birth certificate so I can go to other organisations and prove the document means nothing or something like that".

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

OK but why are you here?

Becasue they want all the benefits and convenance of living in a modern society while also accepting none of the responsibilities that arise from living in a modern society.

Dive on roads? Of course, that is our natural right!

Pay taxes to upkeep the road network? Nah, I never agreed to that...

They are adults that are pissed that their childhood notions of being an adult (being able to do what they want, when they want and no one can tell them no) is not reality.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is it actually possible to go live in the bush self sufficiently without a shitload of startup money? Would you require licenses for hunting and fishing? Would you be allowed to build yourself a shelter on land you don't own? Start cook fires? I really don't think so. What if you have children? Pretty sure society won't allow you to raise them in a cave.
Sovcits are hilarious but don't pretend we can all just opt out of society if we want to.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I just feel like saying it. I may not have thought it through!

But the assumption is that you pick somewhere remote that you won't be noticed. NZ has a lot of land and not a lot of people so I have no doubt it's doable. There's that guy down Christchurch way living in a cave, and he's not even trying to avoid society.

I also like to imagine all the sovcits don't have kids, because it's less funny if they have kids, for many reasons.