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Okay, I am going to step over this even though I think the number of civilians killed is outrageous and has beaten lots of high scores of this century.
But for argument's sake, what about withholding food, aid, and medical supplies? Doesn't enabling the population to die of treatable diseases one indicator of a genocide intent?
About America, probably not due to the lack of intent for genocide, but what the US did was a flagrant undeniable human rights violation. So is your point like this: "other nations have massacred a similar albeit lower number of people per week on average than Israel, so you shouldn't hold Israel accountable for any crimes despite it indiscriminately killing over 24k civilians in the course of 100 days" ?
No Israel and the US should absolutely be held accountable for war crimes if they are credibly alleged, investigated, and proven.
Stories get twisted though. Like, Israel withheld some supplies, some places, some of the time. Within days they opened a humanitarian corridor and supplies flowed. They also told everyone to get out of Gaza City because they were coming for the tunnels. Last I heard something like 600,000 to 800,000 people did not evacuate.
Egypt closed the southern border crossing. Israel locked down it's border: it had just had a significant military incursion over it's border and 1,300 civilians were intentionally murdered; Hamas attacked some military targets, but also concerts, shopping centers, families just driving down the road, and hundreds of first responders. Hamas had no pretense of just war. And then the cowards retreated back into the tunnels, which they hid inside apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals, and so forth.
It's not that "everything is a Hamas base." It's that the bases are underneath Gaza City and connected by a massive tunnel network. There are apparently hundreds of miles of tunnels. 800 tunnel hidden shafts have been found all over the city. Israel has every right to destroy the tunnels; they are an instrumentality of terrorism. When a nation is attacked, it has the right to respond proportionately: destroying the instrumentality of the attack is the literal definition of a proportionate response.
The tunnels, in my view, were illegally and recklessly constructed, they've been used for snuggling weapons, including some 40,000 rockets and rocket launching systems, thousands of soldiers, leadership, supplies, etc., and they are valid, just, and moral military target, even if they are underneath public infrastructure, as the public has been told to leave. They were built specifically for these purposes and got significant funding frok Iran and North Korea. They are used by Hamas and it's sympathizers and affiliates, including people who identify as Islamic State, Mujahedeen, and about a dozen other groups recognized by the western world as terrorist organizations.
Yes, allowing a population to starve or die of preventable disease is evidence of genocidal intent. 80% of the population evacuated and fled to refugee camps. "But Israel bombed the refugee camps." Read up on them. According to reporting that I read, less than 100 people have been killed in such strikes, and Israel says they were members of Hamas, including one large group that was apparently having a meeting in a mosque within a refugee camp that included ranking members of Hamas. Unfortunately, they forced women and children into the mosque with them to use as human shields.
It's sad and fucked. That's war.