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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It's one thing to be a communist; it's another to be an apologist for the CCP.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm having an easier time arguing with tankies then I did with right wingers. Right wingers don't even believe themselves, so they shift the goal posts around to suit their needs.

[–] hamsteronvase@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Oh, I saw the futility of talking to them lonnnnnnnnng ago. You might as well try to convince a christian that they're wrong. You know why that is? Because they're both cults.

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Liberals try to understand political nuance challenge: Impossible!

[–] TheGreatBatsby@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Where's the nuance in simping for an authoritarian state-capitalist regime? It's like the people who unironically think the DPRK is more democratic than the US.

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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Fuck China, and fuck the United States I live in. The nations of the Nordic region and a few other developed nations have my respect because they respect and value their citizenry. Their economy is a tool that is used to facilitate the distribution of goods and services for the benefit of their society and its citizens, what an economy is supposed to be, instead of doing it ass backwards as we do, hurting citizens to protect the beloved fucking economy and the growth/metastasis expectations of the owner class.

China/The US/Russia are the world leaders in exporting the notion that their citizens should be exploited to stoke the growth of the economy for the benefit of their respective elites. Whoever wins, their people lose.

Why should I go rah rah America when most stakeholders in our society are not meaningful institutional shareholders in the value society produces?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html

It shouldn't be about saying simon says or coming out of a rich vagina or if not making perfect economic decisions and kissing ass from age 18, begging to be included and killing yourself for masters who were born into wealth for a small chance of being included in the prosperity of the prosperous nation you're supposedly a member of.

And don't you just love the class traitors here that come out to celebrate the failures of citizens who tried? oh you took out student loans in a subject that in hindsight didn't pay dividends, haha loser. Oh you just started working and didnt get an education and are stuck in the underclass, haha loser. That's what it means to be an American, rooting against one another as the owner class laughs.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

Those nordic countries are suported by a global network of unequal exchange

[–] minorsecond@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm someone still recovering from republican/libertarian capitalist brainwashing. Would you know of a good book or two on this subject? It's fascinating to me.

[–] ilir@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] minorsecond@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks! I’m currently unemployed so I’ll be looking at all this over the next couple days.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Like on which topic? Capitalist critiques, options for a better society, inequality?

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

I would recommend David Graeber or however it's spelled writing. Any time you read anyone's opinion take it with a grain of salt but Debt and Bullshit Jobs address many things, some of which can be taken as criticism of capitalism.

James C Scott is another anthropolgist and his most accessible book is probably seeing like a state. It's relatively even handed in it's critques of capitalism as it focuses on states including the USSR. It highlights quite well how markets and states can crush humanity because they have wildly different goals to people.

You probably don't want to jump right into hardcore theory so this might be a gentler intro into asking why society is the way it is and how it might be different without expressly pushing a particular political theory.

[–] minorsecond@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein (easy) A Brief History of Neoliberalism by David Harvey (medium)

[–] minorsecond@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you! I'll read one of these next.

[–] ilir@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Edited my comment again.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

To me, the definition of a 3rd world country is about how the poor are living there.

You can live a nice life in literally any country, if you have enough money. But how do those live, who don't have anything? That's what differentiates between a decent country and a 3rd world country.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

On a slightly broader note: just people going out of their way to justify bad behavior.

[–] SeeMinusMinus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

As a communist who hates the CCP I see this as a win.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Some days it’s hard to tell the difference…