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I'm with you on the rest, but swearing never hurt anyone and continuing to pretend otherwise in 2024 is some 1980s Satanic Panic sized bullshit.
It's still probably not best to not model disrespectful and irreverent language to impressionable kids until they learn the social skills of when it is and isn't appropriate. I don't want Bluey to tell her dad to "Fuck off wanker"
No word (other than hate speech) is inherently disrespectful. Disrespect comes from context, not vocabulary.
As for being irreverent, that's almost always a positive since being overly reverent is a toxic symptom of authoritarianism.
Depending on context and tone, that could be completely fine.
I agree with you mostly. And censoring swears from media aimed at children, doesn't prevent kids from wanting to experiment with the taboo. But I'd rather have children's media model good behavior, and while swearing isn't always profane or disrespectful, it often is. And being able to differentiate the context is a learned social skill that kids won't master until that kind of content is appropriate.
This last quote really has nothing to do with my argument but I just like it. "Profanity is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate fuckheads". I want to teach my children to articulate themselves well and save the profane for when it makes the most impact.
Prepared to get downvoted my friend, according to some lemmings, you should have atleast 1 swear word every sentence, and if you say otherwise you are violating ‘freedom of speech’
Well you don’t want kids always swearing left right and center either, I don’t know to how much extent banning videos with f words for kids help but I (no joke) never heard of any (big) swear words by my parents or on my phone, and it does help me in formal situations unlike some of my friends, No one is gonna call you out for dropping a mother F bomb in front of a professor but it’s definitely not ideal.
Yeah I do. That would be much better than needlessly censoring the free expression of them and others based on 1950s notions of propriety 🤷
Well then more power to you, I don’t think it’s smart, but if you feel that way, go ahead
What's "not smart" about free expression?
Well I am not gonna start an argument about whether swearing is morally acceptable or not on the internet.
Because there IS no argument for your side other than logical fallacies such as appeal to authority and the like.
No I am not gonna argue because I don’t give a fuck about what some random stranger’s thoughts on swearing are, you are trying to have one here, You can do whatever you want, I swear as well, but only when I need to give some extra weight to my statement, it’s just that you are painting your opinion as the absolute truth, when really this sort of issue depends upon a person’s beliefs and personality, there are no ‘facts’ here like you are trying here to say
How about I say that I am gonna drive a plane into a building, I could say in my defense that ‘It is freedom of expression’, but I will surely get in trouble and for good reason, I want you to prove logically with facts and statistics that swearing is better, then maybe I will change my opinion
You need me to prove to you that 9/11 was worse than swearing? Wtf are you smoking?
Nah I am just giving an exaggerated example because you can’t seem to understand a general statement
I understand just fine that you're deranged and equate free and peaceful expression with violence.
Not agreeing with your stupid take ≠ not understanding it.
Well there you go, showing your ignorance once again, me saying that I am drive a plane doesn’t make me violent, I was just saying that ‘freedom of expression’ should be freedom for expressing your opinions, not you making statements with giving zero facts and saying anyone who doesn’t agree with you is wrong, like I say there is no right and wrong in this argument, and I make it very clear, but you persist on trying to prove that I am the wrong one here, like I said above, give me facts and stats and maybe I’ll accept I was wrong
Fact: words are by definition a form of peaceful expression whether or not they're considered naughty at bible study. Some, including myself, would consider hate speech an exception to this rule, but swearing isn't hate speech.
Fact: terrorism is by definition a hostile and violent action and as such comparing the two even hypothetically is disingenuous at best.
That, I just said that I am gonna do it, I didn’t act on it, but I would still get in trouble
So what you're saying is that saying the word fuck is just as scary to you as threatening to commit terrorism? That's totally rational and fact-based! 🙄
Kids should be taught the difference between swearing and disrespectful swearing. My parents brought me up to never swear, even though I eventually learned the words and not to swear around them. It's inevitable that kids will learn swear words but if you completely ignore the problem as a parent, that's how rampant and disrespectful swearing starts.
I didn't swear when I was young but I was certainly exposed to it. And believe it or not I can code switch seemlessly at work. People who know me personally would be so surprised to hear it.