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Oh my. I didn't realise that it's actually horrible for the person. Imagine grasping for air for 15 minutes! It must be horrible! That guy had a good reason to be scared of going away like that!
... And it's totally not an act made to stop this type of execution. It's not like hypoxia is undetectable by the body, as the gasping reflex is driven by rising levels of carbon dioxide in the lungs, not the lack of oxygen. Nor is it like the subject had any beef against the type of execution.
Come on. This is just fear mongering at this point
Executions are barbaric period
Sure, but as far as methods this is considered the ideal to the point of being how most people advocate for legal assisted suicide.
If youre going to legally kill someone, this is the way to do so humanely.
Not this way, they had no method to remove the carbon dioxide from his lungs.
It would have been trivial if they used existing methodology, but they didn't bother to emulate it.
A pure nitrogen environment does not prevent the exhalation of carbon dioxide (source).
They just filled the air he was breathing with nitrogen instead of cycling it through his airspace.... They needed a larger volume of gas to keep the amount of CO2 low enough
I've seen this claim made multiple times but the articles in question make no mention of it - including this one, unless I'm blind. Do you have a source for this claim?
It's not a claim that needs sourced. You put out a certain amount of CO2. Breathing that into a larger volume results in lower CO2 density.
If you have a cup of water that full, pouring that into a swimming pool does not result in a full swimming pool.
Every claim needs to be sourced/proved, except axioms. Mathematicians had to prove that 1+1=2, and it was not easy.
Yeah, but you don't have to prove that, because it's already been done and is commonly accepted as truth. Similarly to how gas laws have already been proven, and as such don't really need to be sourced unless you're getting into something more specific than the basics of hows gasses work.
Gas laws have been proven, but every situation is different and there might be other circumstances here that could be affecting the results.
It's not the same breathing in open air, in a room, in a plastic bag or in a scuba rebreather, despite the gas laws being the same the inputs are different.
If someone asks for sources the polite thing is to give them or admit you don't have them.
I don’t know. The older I get the more I feel that locking someone a confined space with a bunch of other unintegratables, essentially indefinitely, is less humane. I keep thinking society needs to have some skin in the game making these decisions. Seems like there’s more of that with something decisive like capital punishment than locking someone in an out of the way cage and forgetting about them.
Maybe this was more of an !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world post tho.
From the Wikipedia article on Inert Gas Asphyxiation:
tl;dr - literally everything that happened in the execution was precisely as expected. Smith did not suffer and was not conscious after the first few minutes of the procedure.
So this would be fine, but he did have symptoms consistent with hypercapnia, as described in the link you provided
They needed a larger breathable volume to diffuse the carbon dioxide present to keep the man from suffering.
They botched it.
Considering both include convulsions and cardiac arrest can be accompanied by agonal breathing, I don't think you can definitively state this.
Smith also resisted breathing for as long as he could at the beginning of the procedure and I think that needs to be taken into account. I won't say they absolutely didn't botch his execution, but I've yet to see any compelling evidence to that effect.
Unless they published their methodology, which they refused to do, we won't have any compelling evidence.