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Title is a reference to Resistance imagery about how Israeli soldiers will enter Gaza alive but leave it in coffins - the same is true for American soldiers in the Middle East if the regional war expands.

The image is of the Fattah-1 Iranian hypersonic ballistic missile, which its creators boast can overcome any missile defense system on the planet, has a range of 1400 kilometers (and thus Iran can strike Israel), and has a terminal impact velocity of Mach 13.


Dozens of American soldiers have been injured and 3 have been killed on a base in the Middle East. There has been confused reports about whether the attack was on Syrian territory or Jordan's - the Al-Tanf base is in Syria, but Tower-22 in Jordan is another base that helps supply Al-Tanf, and Tower-22 is the one that is alleged to have been hit. These is the first confirmed deaths of American troops since the conflict began, though it's not likely that this is actually the first deaths after hundreds of drone/missile strikes throughout the region on American bases, unless you think American soldiers are having extremely timely heart attacks just after a missile hits.

The attack is certainly impactful, though it does also have considerably symbolism. Courtesy of John Helmer:

The operational success of the strike for the attackers is strategic. Tower-22 is a logistics, supply, and rear guard post for the Al-Tanf base which US troops are operating thirty kilometres north across the border in Syria. The attack demonstrates that both Tower-22 and Al-Tanf, Jordan and Syria, are newly vulnerable to weapons which the US forces have failed to detect and neutralize. Just as significantly, the massive US airbase called Muwaffaq Salti, 230 kilometres west across Jordan, is also vulnerable now.

It indicates that Iran now possesses Russian expertise in countering American equipment:

“This is a significant accomplishment,” one of the sources said. “Was the bypassing of the US air defence system at Tower-22 pulled off with Russian assistance? US bases generally rely on the C-RAM [Counter Rocket, Artillery and Mortar] system. It was sent to Ukraine last year where the Russians have been learning to defeat it. What now of American EW [electronic warfare]? They’ve been doing a fair job of knocking drones down up to now. It seems a ‘coincidence’ that, not a week after the meetings in Moscow with Arabs and Iranians, we see this success. It’s a success the circumstances of which, we can be sure, Biden and Austin are not keen to advertise.”

I am putting my take on the table right now: I am 99% certain that the US won't attack Iran directly. I think we are still quite a while away from that being a possibility. Much more likely is that Iranian officials in Iraq or Syria will be hit by a retaliatory strike, as Israel has done recently. It is a significant escalation nonetheless. And it comes as Israel seems to be gearing up for a suicidal war with Hezbollah.


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https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
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https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

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https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 50 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/31/politics/us-warship-close-call-houthi-missile/index.html

A cruise missile launched by the Houthis into the Red Sea on Tuesday night came within a mile of a US destroyer before it was shot down, four US officials told CNN, the closest a Houthi attack has come to a US warship.

In the past, these missiles have been intercepted by US destroyers in the area at a range of eight miles or more, the officials said. But the USS Gravely had to use its Close-In Weapon System (CIWS) for the first time since the US began intercepting the Houthi missiles late last year, which ultimately succeeded in downing the missile, officials said.

The CIWS, an automated machine gun designed for close-range intercepts, is one of the final defensive lines the ship has to shoot down an incoming missile when other layers of defense have failed to intercept it.

The Houthis got within seconds of destroying a US warship and managed to get a cruise missile to evade all other lines of defence and interceptor missiles, except for the CIWS. That is not good news for the US. Their airstrikes have failed to limit the Houthi's ability to carry out attacks on both cargo and US military ships, and the US only has so many interceptor missiles left, and missile defence with CIWS is too close to rely on. The Houthis will successfully strike a US warship if the current status quo continues. (It will not continue indefinitely obviously, as soon as the US retaliates. But then again, previous US airstrikes have failed to stop the Houthis or hinder their capabilities. )

The Houthis have continued to launch missiles and drones at vessels in the Red Sea, however, and on Wednesday morning were preparing to launch a surface-to-air missile that posed a risk to US aircraft operating in the region, according to US Central Command.

In a statement, CENTCOM said US forces successfully destroyed the missile before it launched.

Again, US Navy and Air Force Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) operations are top notch. This kind of thing should worry Iran. The US airforce successfully baited the Yemeni air defence systems targeting radar to turn on, jammed it and destroyed it. A lot of people joke about that one US strike in which only one plane and one missile was fired at a radar site in Yemen earlier, but if it's at a control centre or early warning radar, it shows the capabilities there.

So in essence we have an asymmetric situation where Iran and various other military groups have the capabilities to strike US ships and ground assets if need be, but the US has the ability to suppress their air defence and launch airstrikes. What happens next, nobody knows.

[-] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If it had been a faster missile it may have still hit the ship. Bullet-based air defense relies heavily on airframe damage type kills, where they damage an aerodynamic surface which results in the missile effectively steering into the ocean. It's rare for a bullet to actually set off the warhead, as they are typically armored these days (which serves a dual purpose of preventing defensive weapons from setting off the warhead as well as increasing armor penetration), so a higher-speed missile would have been less likely to be hit and also stands a higher chance of its momentum still carrying it into the ship. See: USS Chancelorsville Drone Strike Incident. ("Drone" here refers to what is essentially a remote operated missile with the warhead replaced by more avionics)

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, and even with subsonic cruise missiles, fragments from the missile can still hit the ship. Obviously a lot better for the ship than taking a direct hit, but some minor damage can still be done.

Faster missiles can get through CIWS for sure. It's why everyone is worried about hypersonics.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

I imagine any US CIWS fans are clapping like seals though. Those things very rarely get used

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, because if they get used, it means they were seconds from becoming shark food. So it's generally good practice for those onboard the ship, that they don't get used.

Though yeah I imagine the CIWS crew onboard the US ship are getting a ton of thanks and praise from their fellow sailors onboard.

And for military nerds, it's proof that the system works. I know they gave it the nickname of one of the Star Wars robots. So they're probably spamming that all over the internet.

[-] luddybuddy@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

My uncle was a naval officer, so I got to go on tiger cruise once. They did a display of the CIWS which resulted in half the deck being covered in mildly radioactive shell casings which were then swept into the sea. Fun stuff. At the time I remember thinking yikes, seems like you wouldn’t want to risk your crew’s safety by littering shells all over the deck for people to trip over, but knowing it’s the last line of defense it makes a bit more sense. It’s an emergency and you’ve got to spit all the depleted uranium at the incoming missile, who cares if one guy slips on a shell casing and gets a concussion.

[-] Al_Sham@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

Yahya Saree, Spokesman for Yemeni Army, says they actually hit the destroyer though. And unlike the Great Satan, Mr. Saree doesn't lie.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/yaf-navy-directly-hit-us-destroyer--cargo-ship-in-red-sea--y

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

this is compared to 8-10 mile shoot-down distance for previous missiles/drones fired at US navy ships

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