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[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 44 points 9 months ago

IIRC about 2/3rds of americans are living paycheck to paycheck. That is not an economy that is working for the people.

We need dramatic overhauls that Biden, and especially Trump will never deliver. We need employee ownership of companies for starters.

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago

I don't think that's a starter. I think that's a grand paradigm shift that while it would no doubt be a great boon would not be easy or quick to implement.

Universal Healthcare, UBI, climate resolutions, voting reform, SNAP expansion, increases to minimum wage, etc. would be easier, quicker, and compound with the improvements of employee ownership. So I'd call those starters, even if they're not as effective.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don’t think that’s a starter.

I wasn't being literal. There are a million things that need fixed, a few of them you've listed and I 100% agree with. The one I named was just one of them.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago

Forget whoever is president, there’s a snowballs chance in hell that 99% of the house or Congress would ever let such legislature be heard, never mind actually be voted on.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah, congress needs to be stacked with representatives that actually give a shit about protecting workers and democracy. And that's never going to happen with a 2 party system and legalize bribery ("lobbying").

And those things won't get fixed until people start giving a shit and voting accordingly, and/or we have massive protests.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

The problem with voters is more our voting system. If you vote for anyone other than one of the two major parties, you’re all but throwing your vote away. The current system heavily discourages voting third party.

We would need election reform for that to change, and while we are getting closer to that state by state, I don’t think we will ever get enough states to sign on for the laws to kick in.

And these changes will never happen with our current system in place, so it’s a catch 22. Can’t change the system without reform, can’t reform with our current system.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 1 points 9 months ago

Agreed.

We would need election reform for that to change, and while we are getting closer to that state by state, I don’t think we will ever get enough states to sign on for the laws to kick in.

I assume you're talking about the NPVIC. But yeah, we are getting marginally closer to reform each year. And public sentiment towards FPTP voting is changing, which is good. The only downside is that it is slow, and people seem more keen on rank choice instead of approval (IMO the best).

And these changes will never happen with our current system in place, so it’s a catch 22. Can’t change the system without reform, can’t reform with our current system.

Honestly that's the case with most problems in the U.S., it's just a bunch of catch 22s the whole way down, and the whole way up.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah, the NPVIC is… I mean, let’s be honest here. It’s not great. It’s better than our current system, absolutely. But it’s far, far inferior than rank choice.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah, the NPVIC is… I mean, let’s be honest here. It’s not great. It’s better than our current system, absolutely.

Agreed.

But it’s far, far inferior than rank choice.

I'd say it goes like

Approval >>> Ranked >>>>>>>>>>>>> FPTP (popular vote) >>> FPTP (electoral college)

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