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I've been an IT professional for 20 years now, but I've mainly dealt with Windows. I've worked with Linux servers through out the years, but never had Linux as a daily driver. And I decided it was time to change. I only had 2 requirements. One, I need to be able to use my Nvidia 3080 ti for local LLM and I need to be able to RDP with multiple screens to my work laptop running Windows 10.

My hope was to be able to get this all working and create some articles on how I did it to hopefully inspire/guide others. Unfortunately, I was not successful.

I started out with Ubuntu 22.04 and I could not get the live CD to boot. After some searching, I figured out I had to go in a turn off ACPI in boot loader. After that I was able to install Ubuntu side by side with Windows 11, but the boot loader errored out at the end of the install and Ubuntu would not boot.

Okay, back into Windows to download the boot loader fixer and boot to that. Alright, I'm finally able to get into Ubuntu, but I only have 1 of my 4 monitors working. Install the NVIDIA-SMI and reboot. All my monitors work now, but my network card is now broken.

Follow instructions on my phone to reinstall the linux-modules-extra package. Back into Windows to download that because, you know, no network connections. Reinstall the package, it doesn't work. Go into advanced recovery, try restoring packages, nothing is working. I can either get my monitors to work or my network card. Never both at the same time.

I give up and decide it's time to try out Fedora. The install process is much smoother. I boot up 3 of 4 monitors work. I find a great post on installing Nvidia drivers and CUDA. After doing that and rebooting, I have all 4 monitors and networking, woohoo!

Now, let's test RDP. Install FreeRDP run with /multimon, and the screen for each remote window is shifted 1/3 of the way to the left. Strange. Do a little looking online, find an Issue on GitHub about how it is based on the primary monitor. Long story short, I can't use multiple monitor RDP because I have different resolution monitors and they are stacked 2x2 instead of all in a row. Trust me I tried every combination I could think of.

Someone suggested using the nightly build because they have been working on this issue. Okay, I try that out and it fails to install because of a missing dependency. Apparently, there is a pull request from December to fix this on Fedora installs, but it hasn't been merged. So, I would need to compile that specific branch myself.

At this point, I'm just so sick of every little thing being a huge struggle, I reboot and go back into Windows. I still have Fedora on there, but who would have thought something that sounds as simple as wanting to RDP across 4 monitors would be so damn difficult.

I'm not saying any of this to bag on Linux. It's more of a discussion topic on, yes, I agree that there needs to be more adoption on Linux, but if someone with 20 years of IT experience gets this feed up with it, imagine how your average user would feel.

Of course if anyone has any recommendation on getting my RDP working, I'm all ears on that too.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 58 points 10 months ago (5 children)

but if someone with 20 years of IT experience gets this feed up with it, imagine how your average user would feel.

Do you think "your average user" would run into something like this? How many people are running 4 monitors?

[–] Damage@feddit.it 46 points 10 months ago

Grandma loves sitting in front of her 4 ultrawides while discussing the day with her friendly LLM

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I run 6 on 2 gpus and it's Just Werked ^TM^ for a few years now. On a Core2 Duo machine even.

[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

This is stupid. While i am all up advocating for foss, trying to argue peoples usecases into non existence is not helping anyone.

My grandparents ran into problems with Linux because they wanted to connect their TV (second monitor) and use team viewer with it (to control it from their phone.

Some of my super non it friends use lots of monitors because who the hell knows why they need this for office stuff.

Its really bothering me that a part of "Linux die hards" always blames missing features or complicated processes on the user.

"Oh yeah, you want a working system? HERES WHY YOU SHOULDT WANT THAT AND WHY IT IS ACTUALLY A FEATURE THAT ITS NOT WORKING. Noob"

I think we need to accept that Linux is not for anyone.

Sure I can install the aur version of team speak from console, but my grandparents can't. They can't even read English documentation.

For people living it Linux is fine, and better than other systems, you can change your desktop envirment, fit it to your needs, not be constantly spied on, change everything you want (if you understand it enough to compile from source) nice.

But if you want anything more than "one monitor, mail, office (with bad grammar and spell check)" but are not comfortable with reading through pages and pages of documentation or spending an amount of time tinkering with your PC others spend with their kids, Linux just won't work!

And we need to be honest to people with that or we set wrong expectations.

I am not dumb and not a total noob, but I broke my system recently because I wanted to change my username and didn't read through all the little details why Linux can't do this like any other os. On any payed os this is one klick, on Linux your documents break (because of groups), your desktop items break, your taskbar breaks (and I still haven't got the taskbar panel working today, because no matter what the home folder in plasma settings is, panel always interprets ~/ as the old homefolder path, which doesn't exist anymore and for the love of god I can't find where panel stores this info), loots of symlinks break and im thinking about just installing from scratch because it is easier than to fix everything.

Linux just isn't a payed os and you can't expect everything from it you can from windows or osx. There are (lot of) usecases win and osx easily accomplish, and Linux doesn't if your not a nerd or have lots of time.

Just saying those usecases are "not needed". While people clearly need them is only helping Microsoft and apple.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago

“Oh yeah, you want a working system? HERES WHY YOU SHOULDT WANT THAT AND WHY IT IS ACTUALLY A FEATURE THAT ITS NOT WORKING. Noob”

That shit is why I hate Microsoft so much. The whole strength of Linux should be the flexibility to do what you want to do with it. 100% agree with you that Linux isn't there yet but I am certainly trying to get there with it.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 5 points 10 months ago

Do you think “your average user” would run into something like this? How many people are running 4 monitors?

I'm at the point where I have to admit that the 'average user' isn't even using a desktop or laptop at all.