This is a valid choice. What isn't valid is still going out to restaurants, having a gay ol time, and then refusing to tip your server on principle while the owner did nothing and made a killing.

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not really a big fan of this rhetoric. People should be able to go to a restaurant and eat without being expected to pay more than what their food costs. They shouldn't be shamed for not wanting to tip. This becomes an issue of personal morality which is why I just don't eat out, but I don't think it's anyone else's business except for the person spending the money since it is their money after all. It's not a customer's responsibility to make up the pay of a business's employee. PERIOD. Basically what I'm saying is I don't go places that expect me to tip but I 100% support people's decisions to go to restaurants and not tip because that is their right.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Its their right to be a shitty person so you support it?

Damn son. Its one thing to accept a shitty person is shitty, but its a whole other matter to support that shitty person and tell them they should keep doing what theyre doing.

That server is making $2.13 per hour if theyre American. Non-tippers are robbing that server of another table who would actually pay for their service and allow that server to eat and have a place to stay.

Yes, its part of the game. No, I dont like tip culture. Yes, shitty people dont tip. No, I will never condone the idea of stiffing a server who lives off of tips.

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I find it interesting how you're putting the blame on the customer and not the employer. You have no problem calling someone a shitty person for not tipping but you're okay with the practice of a business paying $2.13 an hour to their employees. It should never be the customer's responsibility to make sure that the employees of a restaurant are paid enough. Your attitude shows how brainwashed people are into defending these restaurants by putting the blame on customers.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

I did say I hate tipping culture. Its absolute bullshit and should be done away with.

The owners are absolutely shitty too, I never praised them.

You're building a strawman and then using it as a whataboutism to try to "gotcha" my argument.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Serving is a low skill, job outside of fine dining. You remember a couple pages worth of menu and you write down what people want and you fill their drinks. It's not high skilled. It's not physically hard. A 16 year old can do it well after a week or two of training. Getting $150 in tips for a 6 hour shift and then only reporting half of it on your taxes is a showcase in how stupid it is to tip so much for it.

You're talking about "oh, poor server that makes $2.13 an hour" but why do you think servers as a whole are vehemently against removing tips and going to a normal pay? They know what skill level their job falls at. They know if they were being paid hourly with no tips they'd be getting paid around the same as fast station clerks, retail workers, and grocers. Making in the ball park of $16/hr (obviously varies by area) and they would actually hate to be making that.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Eh, plenty of servers in Europe are grown ass adults and they dont rely on tips. How do you think that works?

Maybe once service starts declining more than it already has in the US, the customers will start complaining and the corporations will listen and try to pay servers a better wage so they are happier and more inclined to give happy service.

Or maybe they'll just keep raping profits from the "low-skilled" workers until the only ones who WANT to do the job CANT do the job because they arent skilled enough (hence, the decline of service quality in America as it stands today).

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago

It sounds like you're trying to argue against what I said, but I can't actually tell what you're arguing against.