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[-] Paragone@mander.xyz -1 points 6 months ago

Obviously, it depends on how one defines science:

IF science is defined partly by declaring that awareness isn't real, then it has already divorced reality.

Awareness produces effects, like cities, and couldn't do-so if it weren't real.

Awareness is immaterial, so physicalism prohibits/contempts it being real, but physicalism must also prohibit/contempt entanglement being real, because it isn't physical, either.

Etc.

IF one draws the lines so that ALL the phenomena in Universe that cause results get included, THEN yes, science can discover absolute truth about some aspects of Universe.

However, if one draws the lines so that ideology/prejudice decides what is real, then no, nothing can make that work right.

The most important understanding is in Hofstadter's "Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid", where he hammers it into one, how self-consistent-formal-systems are mind-blind to ALL outside them.

That is a feature of the things, as Godel's Theorem of Incompleteness proved.

All who don't understand that ( & much/most of Western Philosophy rejects it, as "Slight of Mind" is one, of many many many, examples demonstrating ) simply aren't competent in the Philosophy they're believing they're doing.

( seriously: read GEB, then try reading Slight of Mind, which contradicts/ignores/denies GEB, & ask yourself which is truer: the math, or the ideology which rejects the math )

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